Haydn's Haus

[Gurn Blanston]

Do not forget the Saxon Pigsticker variations in which he intentionally used the dissonances produced by one of the common temperment systems of the era.  Beghin included a video performance on the DVD of his set,  which is probably on YouTube.  (At the moment I am on a bus traveling up the New Jersey Turnpike, so I can not provide the formal name of the piece.)

Hob 17:01 Capriccio in G for Clavier on 'Acht Sauschneider müssen seyn' (It takes 8 Strong Men (to castrate a boar))

Yes, a very witty bit indeed. For those of you who don't have this piece by Beghin, he demonstrated that on the keyboard Haydn had, tuned to the commonly used temperament, the 'wolf tone' fell on a note in the Key of G (Eb, IIRC) which was way out of tune. Haydn reserved it for the final variation where they actually cut the boar and it makes a weird sound, perhaps a musical version of a boar getting cut. As I asked earlier, who else but Haydn? Thanks for reminding me of that, Jeffrey, I'm going to play it again as soon as Jacobs has finished 'The Creation'. 

[Gurn Blanston]

That's interesting, thank you. So, Haydn himself didn't make such arrangements of his symphonies?

I think he oversaw some for Artaria in the 1780's, but he didn't do them himself, no. He certainly didn't disapprove of the idea though. It gave more people a chance to enjoy his music.

[torut]

I think he oversaw some for Artaria in the 1780's, but he didn't do them himself, no. He certainly didn't disapprove of the idea though. It gave more people a chance to enjoy his music.

Thank you again. I have not heard much about arrangements of Haydn's symphonies, unlike that of Beethoven's. Maybe just my ignorance.
I heard he reviewed and approved a piano arrangement of The Seven Last Words of Christ by someone, which I like, and my favorite is the string quartet version, which was done by Haydn himself, I believe.

[Gurn Blanston]

Thank you again. I have not heard much about arrangements of Haydn's symphonies, unlike that of Beethoven's. Maybe just my ignorance.
I heard he reviewed and approved a piano arrangement of The Seven Last Words of Christ by someone, which I like, and my favorite is the string quartet version, which was done by Haydn himself, I believe.

Music publishing didn't arrive in Vienna until 1780, so before then, London, Amsterdam and Paris did it all. Haydn wasn't involved with them anyway, plus he was contractually obligated to not stick his nose into the publishing business. By Beethoven's time, it was standard procedure to arrange big works for home use. Beethoven (rightly) felt that no one could arrange a work as well as the original composer could (plus, he didn't get a cut of someone else's arrangement, let's not forget), so he did quite a few of his own.

What you say about Seven Last Words is the commonly held belief, but recently I read something which said the arrangement of the SQ was exactly the same situation as the keyboard work, so the author (a keyboardist) was rather resentful that the SQ had been accepted into the canon while the keyboard version was an outsider. I don't know enough about this yet to have an opinion (my mind is in 1773 right now), but by 1786 I will know what there is to know and will try to explicate it. 

[Sergeant Rock]

Thank you again. I have not heard much about arrangements of Haydn's symphonies, unlike that of Beethoven's. Maybe just my ignorance.

You might want to check this out.




Very nice performances of the Salomon arrangements of 99, 101 and 104 played by Arco Baleno. They've also done 94, 98 and 100.


Sarge

[Gurn Blanston]

You might want to check this out.




Very nice performances of the Salomon arrangements of 99, 101 and 104 played by Arco Baleno. They've also done 94, 98 and 100.


Sarge

Thanks, Sarge. The only one of those I have is on the Gaia Scienza disk with the flute trios. I should have a look at them myself, I really enjoyed that 104 that Torut posted. Don't know that group (yet). 

[Brahmsian]

October 15, 2013 to May 18, 2014 - My journey is completed!  And what a journey.    I've officially listened to all of Haydn's symphonies at least once!    Do I get a badge, Gurn? 

From randomly selected discs, the first symphony I listened to from the Dennis Russell Davies/Stuttgart Kammerorchestra, was in A major - the # 59 "Feuersinfonie", to the final symphony, also in A major, # 28!

An incredible experience.  It took awhile, and a lot of binges and then chunks of rest, but it was a thrilling ride!!  I now can vote in Greg's favourite Haydn's symphonies poll. 

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[TheGSMoeller]

You might want to check this out.




Very nice performances of the Salomon arrangements of 99, 101 and 104 played by Arco Baleno. They've also done 94, 98 and 100.


Sarge

I want these. I need these. 
I see amazon has both recordings at $6.99 each for the MP3 downloads, not a bad price. I think the combo of flute, SQ and pianoforte is superb, can't wait to hear No. 98.

[TheGSMoeller]

October 15, 2013 to May 18, 2014 - My journey is completed!  And what a journey.    I've officially listened to all of Haydn's symphonies at least once!    Do I get a badge, Gurn? 

From randomly selected discs, the first symphony I listened to from the Dennis Russell Davies/Stuttgart Kammerorchestra, was in A major - the # 59 "Feuersinfonie", to the final symphony, also in A major, # 28!

An incredible experience.  It took awhile, and a lot of binges and then chunks of rest, but it was a thrilling ride!!  I now can vote in Greg's favourite Haydn's symphonies poll. 

Excited to hear your thoughts on some of your favorites, Ray.

[Sergeant Rock]

October 15, 2013 to May 18, 2014 - My journey is completed!  And what a journey.    I've officially listened to all of Haydn's symphonies at least once!    Do I get a badge, Gurn? 

Congrats. Outstanding achievement. I don't know about a badge but you get the boys 




And I hope you do vote in Monkey Greg's poll...and in the London Symphonies poll too.

Sarge

[Gurn Blanston]

October 15, 2013 to May 18, 2014 - My journey is completed!  And what a journey.    I've officially listened to all of Haydn's symphonies at least once!    Do I get a badge, Gurn? 

From randomly selected discs, the first symphony I listened to from the Dennis Russell Davies/Stuttgart Kammerorchestra, was in A major - the # 59 "Feuersinfonie", to the final symphony, also in A major, # 28!

An incredible experience.  It took awhile, and a lot of binges and then chunks of rest, but it was a thrilling ride!!  I now can vote in Greg's favourite Haydn's symphonies poll. 

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That's outstanding, Ray! Nice symmetry on the A major's, too.

Tell me though, will you now not find it impossible to vote in Greg's poll? 

[Gurn Blanston]

1773 was an interesting year, pivoting mainly on the visit of the Empress and her retinue to Eszterháza in September. This all certainly kept Haydn busy, if you would like to see what he was up to, by all means, come visit.

The year the Empress stopped by (again)

Thanks!

We've been busy today; wanted to push this back up so latecomers will see it.

[Brahmsian]

Excited to hear your thoughts on some of your favorites, Ray.

I will post in the pick your 15 poll.

Word:  2 of my picks haven't been picked by anyone in the poll yet. 

[Brahmsian]

That's outstanding, Ray! Nice symmetry on the A major's, too.

Tell me though, will you now not find it impossible to vote in Greg's poll? 

It is hard.  There are several "honorable" mentions, that I hated not including in my Top 15. 

[Brahmsian]

Congrats. Outstanding achievement. I don't know about a badge but you get the boys 




And I hope you do vote in Monkey Greg's poll...and in the London Symphonies poll too.

Sarge

That will do!  Rock on Sergeant! 

[kishnevi]

We've been busy today; wanted to push this back up so latecomers will see it.

About Part 3 of Philemon and Baucis:  are you sure it was unfortunately lost?

[Gurn Blanston]

About Part 3 of Philemon and Baucis:  are you sure it was unfortunately lost?

  The music might have been (probably was) very good. It is the dramatic action that could have stood going down the drain, I think. Part 1, a singspiel called Der Götterat is pretty good in any case. No fawning, just (verbal) dramatic action. Part 3, well, not so much. Still they had to do it.

[Gurn Blanston]

It is hard.  There are several "honorable" mentions, that I hated not including in my Top 15. 

Yes, too many to mention, honorably.

[torut]

I don't want to bury the notice of Gurn's valuable article (I just enjoyed the article about Mass for Saint Nicholas hearing it yesterday) but I am looking forward to reading about Seven Last Words.

Thank you Sergeant Rock, it looks very interesting. The instrumentation is a little different from that of La Tempestad (a violone is added) and I don't know if it is a minor arrangement by the group. I now understand that the title of the video "Haydn/ Salomon - Symphony Hob. 104" means "arranged by Salomon." (I thought it simply meant Salomon Symphonies. )

[Gurn Blanston]

I don't want to bury the notice of Gurn's valuable article (I just enjoyed the article about Mass for Saint Nicholas hearing it yesterday) but I am looking forward to reading about Seven Last Words.

Thank you Sergeant Rock, it looks very interesting. The instrumentation is a little different from that of La Tempestad (a violone is added) and I don't know if it is a minor arrangement by the group. I now understand that the title of the video "Haydn/ Salomon - Symphony Hob. 104" means "arranged by Salomon." (I thought it simply meant Salomon Symphonies. )

Glad you listened to that mass, I quite enjoy it, as I do all of his masses. Nothing dark and dreary here.

In 1 month, I will have been working on this blog for 1 year, I project that I will have covered 24 years in 100 essays, which by extrapolation means I will be doing the Seven Last Words late this year. I'm looking forward to it also, it is one of my favorites, and also one of his all around best works.