Alberic Magnard(1865-1914)

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NLK1971

#60
August 01, 2014, 01:50:23 PM
Is the portrait used for this forthcoming release an actual depiction of Magnard defending his estate from marauding Germans, I wonder?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alberic-Magnard-Musique-Chambre/dp/B00L98UNKE
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Sergeant Rock

#61
August 02, 2014, 03:24:12 AM
Quote from: NLK1971 on August 01, 2014, 01:50:23 PM
Is the portrait used for this forthcoming release an actual depiction of Magnard defending his estate from marauding Germans, I wonder?

No, it isn't Magnard. It's a painting by Charles Spencelayh (1865-1958) called Zeppelins.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

J.Z. Herrenberg

#62
August 02, 2014, 06:08:10 AM
Knowing what Magnard looked like, I found the question quite funny, actually... And I thank Sarge for his, undoubtedly correct, attribution. Strange painting, that!
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

NLK1971

#63
August 02, 2014, 06:38:49 AM
QuoteNo, it isn't Magnard. It's a painting by Charles Spencelayh (1865-1958) called Zeppelins.

Sarge

Thanks for that.  Based on your information I found this interesting blog post:
http://goldenagepaintings.blogspot.co.uk/2010/02/charles-spencelayh-zeppelins.html

I've never heard any music of Magnard's, but I'm now resolved to listen soon to Ansermet's recording of symphony 3 contained in his French Music box.

J.Z. Herrenberg

#64
August 02, 2014, 06:42:25 AM
Great symphony and a powerful reading. The first thing by Magnard I ever heard.
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

Sergeant Rock

#65
August 02, 2014, 06:52:56 AM
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on August 02, 2014, 06:08:10 AMStrange painting, that!

Yeah, really strange. Hunting Zeppelins with a flintlock pistol  ;D

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Sergeant Rock

#66
August 02, 2014, 07:06:00 AM Last Edit: August 02, 2014, 07:19:30 AM by Sergeant Rock
Quote from: NLK1971 on August 02, 2014, 06:38:49 AM
Thanks for that.  Based on your information I found this interesting blog post:
http://goldenagepaintings.blogspot.co.uk/2010/02/charles-spencelayh-zeppelins.html

Thanks for the link. Interesting indeed.

Quote from: NLK1971 on August 02, 2014, 06:38:49 AM
I've never heard any music of Magnard's, but I'm now resolved to listen soon to Ansermet's recording of symphony 3 contained in his French Music box.

That's a great piece, and performance, to begin a Magnard exploration.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Scion7

#67
September 16, 2014, 11:59:32 PM
Quote... I wish he had composed more ...

           Being killed when one is only 49 yrs old puts a damper on one's output - additionally, at least 3 completed works in manuscript were destroyed in the fire he died in, so the world will never hear them. While not a prolific composer up to the point, he had produced some work of fine quality.  Who knows how long he might have lived and accomplished?  Like Beethoven, he seems to have conquered deafness in stopping his composing ability.

I admire the Quintet in d, Op.8 for pf, fl, ob, cl, and bn (1894) quite a bit.  Each movement has its own character.
Saint-Saëns, who predicted to Charles Lecocq in 1901: 'That fellow Ravel seems to me to be destined for a serious future.'

vandermolen

#68
July 09, 2015, 07:39:01 AM Last Edit: July 09, 2015, 07:44:40 AM by vandermolen
I have been listening repeatedly to Symphony 4 and Chant Funebre on an old EMI CD (I had the same performances on LP) with the Orchestre du Capitole Toulouse conducted by Michel Plasson. These are both deeply moving works which I cannot recommend strongly enough to anyone who does not know them. The central movement of the Symphony is especially poignant and eloquent. Here is the Plasson boxed set:
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"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

J.Z. Herrenberg

#69
July 09, 2015, 08:42:22 AM
I agree! I would add the Third Symphony, the Hymn to Justice and the Overture. My favourites in all the shorter orchestral works is Plasson.  In the Third Ansermet reigns supreme, and for the Fourth: Sanderling is perfect in the first three movements, but for the final one you need Ossonce. I love Magnard. I still have to discover his chamber music. It's nice to have something to look forward to.
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

vandermolen

#70
July 09, 2015, 10:54:40 AM
Quote from: J. Z. Herrenberg on July 09, 2015, 08:42:22 AM
I agree! I would add the Third Symphony, the Hymn to Justice and the Overture. My favourites in all the shorter orchestral works is Plasson.  In the Third Ansermet reigns supreme, and for the Fourth: Sanderling is perfect in the first three movements, but for the final one you need Ossonce. I love Magnard. I still have to discover his chamber music. It's nice to have something to look forward to.

I have just ordered the Ansermet (your fault  8)). I think that I had it on cassette years ago and I have the greatest admiration for Answermet as a conductor (his recording of Honegger's 4th Symphony 'Delights of Basel' is in a class of its own). I think that I have the Sanderling recordings in a Brilliant CD super-cheap boxed set and the Ossonce recording of No.4. I see that there is a Timpani CD of shorter works including Chant Funebre. So, will be listening to Sanderling and Ossonce.  :)
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

J.Z. Herrenberg

#71
July 09, 2015, 10:59:20 AM
QuoteSo, will be listening to Sanderling and Ossonce.

The voice of reason.
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

Karl Henning

#72
July 09, 2015, 11:01:49 AM
Johan!  What have you done?!  8)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

J.Z. Herrenberg

#73
July 09, 2015, 11:04:10 AM
 ::)
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

vandermolen

#74
July 09, 2015, 10:51:20 PM
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

vandermolen

#75
January 15, 2016, 05:44:54 AM
Quote from: Daverz on March 26, 2011, 07:09:13 PM
Must have Magnard

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Unfortunately as an appendage to a bunch of Liszt on a 2-CD set, but whaddaya gonna do.  I have not heard the Ossonce set,  but this Ansermet recording easily bests Sanderling or Plasson both for performance and recording quality.  There's also a mono broadcast of a live Ansermet performance of the Magnard on Cascavelle that has been getting praise in the mags.
This performance of the Third Symphony has made me realise that it is the equal of the wonderful Fourth Symphony. Ansermet is one of my favourite conductors, especially of French and Russian music. I could have done without the Liszt works but you can't have everything.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Klaze

#76
January 15, 2016, 03:07:58 PM
I never got on with the Magnard symphonies at all. Had the Plasson set but made someone else happy with it (hopefully)...
I am still curious about the chamber music though, any fans here? specific works? How is that complete set on Timpani?

mszczuj

#77
January 15, 2016, 10:25:29 PM
Quote from: Klaze on January 15, 2016, 03:07:58 PM
I never got on with the Magnard symphonies at all. Had the Plasson set but made someone else happy with it (hopefully)...
I am still curious about the chamber music though, any fans here? specific works? How is that complete set on Timpani?

I had listened to his chamber music in Accord recordings before I ever heard his orchestral works, I had been the great fan of it, especially of the Violin Sonata, and then I was rather disappointed by symphonies. I would put Violin Sonata in the top tier of best works of this genre I ever heard - together with Kreutzer Sonata ad the 2nd of Prokofiev. I remember that I liked the Quartet and the Quintet very much as well and that I find Cello Sonata And Trio no less interesting.

vandermolen

#78
January 15, 2016, 10:46:19 PM
Quote from: mszczuj on January 15, 2016, 10:25:29 PM
I had listened to his chamber music in Accord recordings before I ever heard his orchestral works, I had been the great fan of it, especially of the Violin Sonata, and then I was rather disappointed by symphonies. I would put Violin Sonata in the top tier of best works of this genre I ever heard - together with Kreutzer Sonata ad the 2nd of Prokofiev. I remember that I liked the Quartet and the Quintet very much as well and that I find Cello Sonata And Trio no less interesting.
Interesting. Clearly I must hear the Violin Sonata.
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Camphy

#79
January 16, 2016, 08:14:09 AM
Quote from: Klaze on January 15, 2016, 03:07:58 PM
I never got on with the Magnard symphonies at all. Had the Plasson set but made someone else happy with it (hopefully)...
I am still curious about the chamber music though, any fans here? specific works? How is that complete set on Timpani?

Received the Timpani set last week. It's been terrific so far. I agree with mszczuj about the greatness of the violin sonata. The string quartet is magnificent as well, although I have only heard the recording by the Quatuor Ysaye (coupled with Fauré).

Alternatively, you could get this recent release, which got some good reviews last year:

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