Händel, where to start?

Started by rappy, September 22, 2007, 07:02:52 AM

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rappy

Hello,

since I've read that Beethoven was a great admirer of Händel, my interest has grown. I'm only familiar with very few pieces such as the Water and Fireworks music.
Which pieces should I get next? I prefer instrumental music.

Thank you

71 dB

Actually Händel really shines in the area of Oratorio (e.g. The Messiah) and Opera (e.g. Giulio Cesare) but if you want non-vocal stuff you could start with the 12 Concerti Grossi, Op. 6 (The Academy of Ancient Music/Andrew Manze).
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Que

Quote from: rappy on September 22, 2007, 07:02:52 AM
Hello,

since I've read that Beethoven was a great admirer of Händel, my interest has grown.

Finally a Händel thread! :)  Excellent.

QuoteWhich pieces should I get next? I prefer instrumental music.

Now, that is somewhat unfortunate because not only did write Händel much more vocal music, it also includes generally his best music.

Q

DavidW

Quote from: rappy on September 22, 2007, 07:02:52 AM
Hello,

since I've read that Beethoven was a great admirer of Händel, my interest has grown. I'm only familiar with very few pieces such as the Water and Fireworks music.
Which pieces should I get next? I prefer instrumental music.

Thank you

The concertos can be fun to listen to, but as Que said the vocal works are his greatest achievements.  You might consider the violin sonatas, and the harpsichord music, but then again not his best realm but they're pretty good nonetheless.

Don

Quote from: DavidW on September 22, 2007, 07:23:25 AM
The concertos can be fun to listen to, but as Que said the vocal works are his greatest achievements.  You might consider the violin sonatas, and the harpsichord music, but then again not his best realm but they're pretty good nonetheless.

I enjoy the keyboard suites as much as the vocal works.  Here's a list of recommended recordings:

van Asperen/Sony
Dantone/Arts
Nicholson/Hyperion
Remy/CPO
Richter/EMI
Verlet/Astree
Ross/Erato

Josquin des Prez

Quote from: 71 dB on September 22, 2007, 07:08:56 AM
Actually Händel really shines in the area of Oratorio (e.g. The Messiah) and Opera (e.g. Giulio Cesare) but if you want non-vocal stuff you could start with the 12 Concerti Grossi, Op. 6 (The Academy of Ancient Music/Andrew Manze).

Agreed on all three, except for the Manze recommendation.

71 dB

Quote from: Josquin des Prez on September 28, 2007, 05:33:11 AM
Agreed on all three, except for the Manze recommendation.

I am not good with different performances but that Manze should be very good. If you know better please tell us.
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Expresso


I'm currently exploring Handel too. As  already mentioned Handel really excels in vocal music... Messiah,Solomon and many other works.

You could also try his Violin sonatas (Manze).

Josquin des Prez

Quote from: Expresso on September 29, 2007, 04:03:59 AM
You could also try his Violin sonatas (Manze).

No, avoid his chamber music if you can help it, it's really bland.


Josquin des Prez

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Quote from: 71 dB on September 28, 2007, 06:00:57 AM
I am not good with different performances but that Manze should be very good. If you know better please tell us.

I think a classic version like Pinnock really serves those works well. Biondi if you need something more peculiar. I was never impressed with anything Manze has ever done so i really must object every time his name gets mentioned.

Josquin des Prez

Quote from: Don on September 22, 2007, 07:37:06 AM
I enjoy the keyboard suites as much as the vocal works.

People need to be careful though. Only the first 8 suites (published in 1720) are really good, the rest can get boring really fast.

71 dB

Quote from: Josquin des Prez on September 29, 2007, 06:18:46 AM
No, avoid his chamber music if you can help it, it's really bland.



Perhaps we others enjoy what you find bland? People do have different tastes, very different. I like Manze.
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Quote from: 71 dB on October 01, 2007, 03:56:35 AM
Perhaps we others enjoy what you find bland? People do have different tastes, very different. I like Manze.

I like whatever 71 dB likes .........

johnQpublic

The Organ Concerti
Concerti Grossi, Op. 6 (as was already mentioned)
Flute Sonati

The new erato

Try Acis and Galatea. A very melodious work combining aspects of his English oratorio style with his Italian opera style. And not too long. Christies recording is fine, but there's lots to choose from. Any exploration of Handel should start with his vocal music, as it is there that his greatest claim to immortality is.

Harry Collier

Quote from: erato on October 02, 2007, 10:39:59 AM
Any exploration of Handel should start with his vocal music, as it is there that his greatest claim to immortality is.

I agree. Getting to Handel via his instrumental music is a bit like trying to get to Beethoven as an operatic composer, or liking Puccini for his instrumental bits and pieces. Handel wrote -- quite brilliantly -- for the voice. Last Saturday I went to a performance of Alcina, and I've never known three hours to go so quickly!

Bonehelm


Shrunk

Quote from: 71 dB on October 01, 2007, 03:56:35 AM
Perhaps we others enjoy what you find bland? People do have different tastes, very different. I like Manze.

I like the Manze, as well.  However, somewhat to my surprise, I also enjoy Marriner and the ASMF:



In any event, the Op. 6 concerto grossi are essential works to my ears, on a par with the much better-known Brandenburg concertos as some of the best orchestral music of the late baroque.



FideLeo



Another, more recent recording of Handel's greatest orchestral music that uses the same 1756 portrait by Thomas Hudson.
HIP for all and all for HIP! Harpsichord for Bach, fortepiano for Beethoven and pianoforte for Brahms!

Don

Quote from: Josquin des Prez on September 29, 2007, 06:21:41 AM
People need to be careful though. Only the first 8 suites (published in 1720) are really good, the rest can get boring really fast.


How careful does one need to be?  It isn't like walking across an interstate highway. ::)