Boulez vs. Feldman

Started by EigenUser, March 31, 2015, 11:00:06 AM

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Who do you prefer?

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EigenUser

March 31, 2015, 11:00:06 AM
 >:D

Feldman for me. I love Boulez, too.
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

Karl Henning

#1
March 31, 2015, 11:02:01 AM
For only one thing: Feldman wrote more  8)
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Boston MA
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[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Mirror Image

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March 31, 2015, 11:03:53 AM
Feldman any day of week and on the strength of a work like Rothko Chapel, which is certainly one of my favorite 20th Century works.

San Antone

#3
March 31, 2015, 11:08:35 AM
Morton Feldman is one of my top two composers (John Cage being the other), so sorry Pierre, he's got my vote.   

;)

And his book Give My Regards to Eight Street is a great read.

Sergeant Rock

#4
March 31, 2015, 11:09:29 AM
Crippled Symmetry vs Répons....decisions, decisions....


Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

San Antone

#5
March 31, 2015, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: Sergeant Rock on March 31, 2015, 11:09:29 AM
Crippled Symmetry vs Répons....decisions, decisions....


Sarge

;D

Crippled Symmetry:  Time for a listen.

EigenUser

#6
March 31, 2015, 12:12:34 PM
Quote from: sanantonio on March 31, 2015, 11:08:35 AM
Morton Feldman is one of my top two composers (John Cage being the other), so sorry Pierre, he's got my vote.   

;)

And his book Give My Regards to Eight Street is a great read.
Yes! I loved it. I still have it from the library, actually. There were some really funny parts.

The other great one is Morton Feldman Says, which consists of interviews with Feldman.
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

North Star

#7
March 31, 2015, 12:18:15 PM
Crippled Symmetry.  8)
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ibanezmonster

#8
March 31, 2015, 12:30:15 PM
I don't dislike Boulez, but I like Feldman.  8)

Ken B

#9
March 31, 2015, 07:07:23 PM
Quote from: EigenUser on March 31, 2015, 11:00:06 AM
>:D

Feldman for me. I love Boulez, too.

A while ago I accused you of being a Boulezian, and you hotly denied it! Age and experience wins again.  :laugh:

Guess how I voted.

springrite

#10
March 31, 2015, 07:35:26 PM
Feldman by a country mil....

Wait...

Feldman by a light year and a half.
Do what I must do, and let what must happen happen.

ibanezmonster

#11
March 31, 2015, 07:38:15 PM
Oops, I meant to vote for Stockhausen.

Mirror Image

#12
March 31, 2015, 07:38:19 PM
Quote from: springrite on March 31, 2015, 07:35:26 PM
Feldman by a country mil....

Wait...

Feldman by a light year and a half.

8) Exactly my thoughts.

Ken B

#13
March 31, 2015, 07:41:18 PM
Quote from: springrite on March 31, 2015, 07:35:26 PM
Feldman by a country mil....

Wait...

Feldman by a light year and a half.

Nate's next poll: Shostakovich or A Poke In The Eye With A Sharp Stick.

springrite

#14
March 31, 2015, 07:42:54 PM Last Edit: March 31, 2015, 07:44:29 PM by springrite
Can't use country mile as unit of measurement. Ain't talking Merle Haggard vs. Waylon Jennings here.


I actually like Boulez, and have nearly as many CDs of Boulez as Feldman. But Feldman for me is a giant in music history (musically and physically). Not many composers can be talked about in the same breath.

BTW, Kimi votes for Boulez.
Do what I must do, and let what must happen happen.

Todd

#15
March 31, 2015, 07:44:07 PM
Quote from: Ken B on March 31, 2015, 07:41:18 PM
Nate's next poll: Shostakovich or A Poke In The Eye With A Sharp Stick.


If it's the 12th Symphony, it's a tougher choice than one might expect.
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Ken B

#16
March 31, 2015, 07:45:34 PM
Quote from: Todd on March 31, 2015, 07:44:07 PM

If it's the 12th Symphony, it's a tougher choice than one might expect.

Indeed. Point taken.

Jo498

#17
April 01, 2015, 12:00:32 AM
I am not sure whether I have ever heard a piece by Feldman. I do not really know any Boulez well but I have at least heard Rituel for Maderna, Pli selon pli, Le marteau sans maitre and maybe another two. I found the sounds of "marteau" interesting, most of the other things have been very hard to penetrate and I have not really bothered so far. From that generation I'll probably go with for Ligeti.
Tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos, dans une chambre.
- Blaise Pascal

EigenUser

#18
April 01, 2015, 12:45:02 AM
Massacre :o.

Quote from: Jo498 on April 01, 2015, 12:00:32 AM
From that generation I'll probably go with for Ligeti.
+1!

Do give a listen to Feldman when you get the chance (i.e. when you are in the mood for something glacially slow and barely audible ;D).

Quote from: Ken B on March 31, 2015, 07:41:18 PM
Nate's next poll: Shostakovich or A Poke In The Eye With A Sharp Stick.
I don't hate Shostakovich! I just don't love Shostakovich like some seem to here...
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

Karl Henning

#19
April 01, 2015, 03:41:04 AM
Quote from: Todd on March 31, 2015, 07:44:07 PM
If it's the 12th Symphony, it's a tougher choice than one might expect.

If the Twelfth were his only symphony, there would be a case for the "third-pressing Mahler" snark  8)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot
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