Most bombastic composers of the 20th/21st century?

Started by EigenUser, April 21, 2015, 01:51:41 AM

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A lot of people seem to describe Wagner, Mahler, and Bruckner as bombastic (which I don't see as a good quality or a bad quality -- just simply a quality). When it comes to post-romantic-era music, who do you consider to be bombastic and over-the-top?
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

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No contest:  John Williams.  But the context has the audience lapping it up  8)
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Within a traditional context probably Katchaturian.

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I'd say definitely Messiaen. Some Ravel, too. And Shostakovich.
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

The new erato

Quote from: EigenUser on April 21, 2015, 05:36:23 AM
I'd say definitely Messiaen. Some Ravel, too. And Shostakovich.
Ravel? As in what works? I mean, noisy (Daphnis) and bombastic is hardly the same thing.

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Quote from: The new erato on April 21, 2015, 05:45:36 AM
Ravel? As in what works? I mean, noisy (Daphnis) and bombastic is hardly the same thing.

He might be thinking Bolero.

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the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

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Quote from: The new erato on April 21, 2015, 03:06:10 AM
Within a traditional context probably Khachaturian.

I would say "absolutely" Khachaturian:laugh:

The Symphony #3 with 15 trumpets and an organ is a great example!

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(poco) Sforzando

For sheer noisiness, the Varèse of Amériques and Arcana (though I love them both). Jon Leifs. Some of Christopher Rouse (like "Gorgon").
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

The new erato

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 21, 2015, 05:49:16 AM
He might be thinking Bolero.

Sarge
He must confuse bombastic and boring. Jen Leifs, that I can see.

But the term bombastic, doesn't that signify noisy but without real content as in noisy but with little to say?

pjme


EigenUser

Quote from: The new erato on April 21, 2015, 05:45:36 AM
Ravel? As in what works? I mean, noisy (Daphnis) and bombastic is hardly the same thing.
Bolero, La Valse, some parts of the amputation concerto, finale of the G major, and the finale of the Rapsodie Espagnole come to mind.

Quote from: pjme on April 21, 2015, 06:32:21 AM
Richard Strauss? Respighi? Mahler?
Absolutely.

Quote from: The new erato on April 21, 2015, 06:30:50 AM
But the term bombastic, doesn't that signify noisy but without real content as in noisy but with little to say?
I guess I just mean not being ashamed to use full force. Not necessarily with little to say, since that adds a negative connotation.
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

Sergeant Rock

Quote from: The new erato on April 21, 2015, 06:30:50 AM
But the term bombastic, doesn't that signify noisy but without real content as in noisy but with little to say?

Yes, that's the definition (although not Nate's). I think Bolero qualifies because it's just repetition of a single theme that gets loud, and louder. Interesting effect though, and I do enjoy the bombast  8)

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Ken B

Quote from: EigenUser on April 21, 2015, 05:36:23 AM
I'd say definitely Messiaen. Some Ravel, too. And Shostakovich.

My work here is done.

>:D :P

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Quote from: EigenUser on April 21, 2015, 06:39:03 AM
Bolero, La Valse, some parts of the amputation concerto, finale of the G major, and the finale of the Rapsodie Espagnole come to mind.
You're banned for life from the Ravel fan club. 'Bombastic' doesn't mean just loud, you know.  >:(

Strauss, Respighi, Mahler, Messiaen, Leifs, and even Shostakovich certainly indulged occasionally. And Orff.
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Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Ken B


Ken B

I hadn't thought of John Williams, but he's a good suggestion. But I am plumping for Messiaen.