Countdown to Extinction: The 2016 Presidential Election

[Florestan]

I believe America would defend Poland to the hilt. I don't believe that about all countries in the world. I don't believe it about Greece for instance.

Greece is an older NATO member than Poland. What makes the latter more defensible than the former? All NATO members are equal, but some are more equal than others? 

Romania is a NATO member too. Will you be so kind to assess her defensibility, too? 

[Ken B]

Greece is an older NATO member than Poland. What makes the latter more defensible than the former? All NATO members are equal, but some are more equal than others? 

Romania is a NATO member too. Will you be so kind to assess her defensibility, too? 

Personally I would defend them all, and strongly. I hope the USA would, and under some presidents am sure they would. Bill Clinton surely would. But some countries will provoke a stronger emotional response than others. Poland is one of those. Greece would defended out of treaty obligation, self interest, a moral obligation, prudence, deterrence.

[Rinaldo]

While it's nice & peachy to dream about Gipper's rousing speeches (my country will always be indebted to him but that sadly doesn't make his foreign fuckups go away), Obama's approach is firmly rooted in the realities of the current century. He helped America claw its way back from the worldwide damnation it got itself into thanks to Bush and actually strenghtened its position. The allies are uncertain? That's not the recent sentiment, as far as my European bubble goes.

Anyway, given the inherited pile of shit - a country torn between two wars AND a worldwide economic crisis to boot - plus the ridiculous domestic opposition he has to endure, it's a miracle he actually accomplished stuff like the health reform. When historians look back at the Obama years, they'll wonder how on Earth did this guy manage to do such a good job*, given the circumstances.

*that obviously doesn't mean he's been all straight A's - the drone / NSA stuff is especially troubling

[Florestan]

All hail His Majesty Barack I, King of Americans!

[Karl Henning]

All hail His Majesty Barack I, King of Americans!

First thing this made me think of is, when M^cCain made his concession speech and observed that Obama was now our President, a bitter heckler defying that attempt at healing unity with, "He's not MINE!"

[Brian]

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[Florestan]

First thing this made me think of is, when M^cCain made his concession speech and observed that Obama was now our President, a bitter heckler defying that attempt at healing unity with, "He's not MINE!"

There is a lot of hypocrisy implied in this whole thing "I didn´t vote him, but since he won, he is my president!"

Absolutely not! If I didn´t vote him, it means I didn´t want him as president; he might have won, but not in my name and not with my vote and I am not supposed to support him in any way.

[Karl Henning]

There is a lot of hypocrisy implied in this whole thing "I didn´t vote him, but since he won, he is my president!"

Absolutely not! If I didn´t vote him, it means I didn´t want him as president; he might have won, but not in my name and not with my vote and I am not supposed to support him in any way.

I like your sense of humor! 

[Gurn Blanston]

There is a lot of hypocrisy implied in this whole thing "I didn´t vote him, but since he won, he is my president!"

Absolutely not! If I didn´t vote him, it means I didn´t want him as president; he might have won, but not in my name and not with my vote and I am not supposed to support him in any way.

And so because you don't like the current leader, you will obstruct in every possible way anything which he tries to accomplish, whether it is for the betterment of the country or not? Dude, you are a born Republican! Leave Romania, now! America needs you.   

[Florestan]

I like your sense of humor! 

[Karl Henning]

America needs a Romanian?! I blame Obama!!

[Florestan]

And so because you don't like the current leader, you will obstruct in every possible way anything which he tries to accomplish, whether it is for the betterment of the country or not?

If I were in the position to obstruct in every posssible way anything that the current leader tries to accomplish, whether it is for the betterment of the country or not --- I would be stronger than the leader himself, wouldn´t i? 

Dude, you are a born Republican! Leave Romania, now! America needs you.   

Noi Romania needs America now! 

[Gurn Blanston]

You talk as if Democrats don't do the same thing.   

Just a question of degree. I can't remember the last time a Dem stood up in the State of the Union Address and shouted at the Republican President "YOU LIE!".  If you can, please refresh my memory on that...

I could make a list, but I won't bother you with it. FYI, I am a Republican, and these bastards shame me with every word out of their mouth, so don't get me started.

[Florestan]

FYI, I am a Republican, and these bastards shame me with every word out of their mouth, so don't get me started.

Romania, 1886. The Liberal Party government is under attack from every angles. The Conservative Party is obviously the sworn enemy of the LP. But --- there is a dissident wing of the Liberal Party which sides with the Conservative opposition. Their leader says: "You, gentlemen of  the conservative persuasion, have been hurt in your citizen honour! We have been hurt in our liberal honour!"

Nihil novum sub sole! 

[Gurn Blanston]

Since I view all politicians as corrupt venal assholes, the fact that they call themselves Democrats or Republicans is a trivial label signifying nothing.  The main difference I see between Republicans and Democrats is that like you, Republican voters can still be shamed by the shenanigans of their elected representatives, whereas Democrats are not shamed by anything.

Well, hard to argue with that!    Actually, Romania has a lot of appeal...   0:)

[Florestan]

Romania has a lot of appeal...   0:)

You are most welcome, gentlemen! Please let me know the date of your arrival. 

[Jubal Slate]

The main difference I see between Republicans and Democrats is that like you, Republican voters can still be shamed by the shenanigans of their elected representatives, whereas Democrats are not shamed by anything.

Twaddle

[Jubal Slate]

 0:)

[Karl Henning]

Twaddle

A most peculiar remark, agreed.  (Wonder if he's shamed to have made it?)

[Jubal Slate]

If I said +1, you woud retort "Fuck off, you´re Romanian!" 

So I say RIP John Adams. 

Oh, I thought you were from Florida.