Top 5 Favorite 2nd Viennese School Works

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EigenUser

June 22, 2015, 01:48:02 AM
My Messiaen thread seems to be a dud, so I'll try something different and broader.

This is a group that I really struggled with for a long time. Webern was my first entry point and is still my favorite of the three, probably due to my love of Feldman. Berg was the hardest for me due to the thickness of his music, but I am finally coming to terms with him and really enjoying his work. Schoenberg runs hot or cold for me. Some of his stuff really is amazing (PC, VN, CS#1, PL, 5OP) whereas other stuff I still have trouble with (mostly his piano works).

Let's try and keep it it the three main guys (Schoenberg, Webern, and Berg), but if you really feel strongly about another composer associated with these guys (like Zemlinsky or Skalkottas, for instance), well, there isn't much I can do to stop you from listing them :D.

In order:
1. Schoenberg's Chamber Symphony No. 1, Op. 9b (yes, I suck, I prefer the huge orchestral version -- balance is far better)
2. Webern's Six Pieces for Orchestra (the original version for huge orchestra is far more effective than his paired-down one he did later on)
3. Berg's Sonata, Op. 1 -- one of my favorite solo piano works
4. Webern's Symphony
5. Berg's Three Orchestral Pieces -- dark, borderline psychotic music
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

Karl Henning

#1
June 22, 2015, 02:51:39 AM
I've liked all three pretty much from the start, but of late I must admit I have been listening almost entirely to Schoenberg, of the three.  So my list of five may wind up Schoenberg-heavy . . . .
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His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Sergeant Rock

#2
June 22, 2015, 03:03:40 AM Last Edit: June 22, 2015, 03:43:17 AM by Sergeant Rock
Quote from: karlhenning on June 22, 2015, 02:51:39 AMSo my list of five may wind up Schoenberg-heavy . . . .

Yes. With only five choices allowed, Schoenberg dominates my list.


Berg Violin Concerto
Schoenberg Gurre-Lieder
Schoenberg Piano Concerto
Schoenberg String Quartet No.2
Schoenberg 5 Orchesterstücke op.16
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Jo498

#3
June 22, 2015, 03:34:26 AM
Berg Lyric Suite
Berg violin concerto
Berg orchestral pieces op.6
Schönberg: Survivor from Warsaw
Webern: Passacaglia op.1

I have to admit that I do not really know any Webern, that is, I might have listened to quite a few of them but not enough to get really familiar with them.
Berg is certainly my favorite although the list might be a little too biased in his favor. It's just that these pieces are more familiar to me so when cooking up a list more or less spontaneously these are ones I will pick.
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springrite

#4
June 22, 2015, 06:01:48 AM
It seems that most people got into the 2nd Viennese School starting with Berg.

After 30 years, I still have not graduated from that stage, it seems:

Berg: Wozzeck
Berg: Violin Concerto
Berg: Chamber Concerto
Berg: Lyric Suite
Berg: Lulu
Do what I must do, and let what must happen happen.

Mirror Image

#5
June 22, 2015, 06:09:54 AM
I prefer the tonal worlds of Sibelius, Nielsen, Shostakovich, RVW, Mahler, etc. but I do like some of the Second Viennese School's music, so here's my list (in no particular order):

Berg: Three Pieces for Orchestra
Berg: Violin Concerto
Schoenberg: Five Pieces for Orchestra
Schoenberg: Verklarte Nacht
Schoenberg: Die Jakobsleiter

North Star

#6
June 22, 2015, 06:18:14 AM
Schönberg: Five Pieces for Orchestra
Schönberg: A Survivor from Warsaw
Berg: Violin Concerto
Berg: Lyric Suite
Webern: 6 Pieces for Orchestra, Op. 6
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Cato

#7
June 22, 2015, 06:29:14 AM
Even excluding the "tonal" works (etc. Gurrelieder, Pelleas und Melisande, Passacaglia, Im Sommerwind,  etc.), 5 choices are not enough!

5 per "2nd Viennese School" composer is not easy either!   0:) 

But I will try that!  ;)

Schoenberg: Erwartung, Moses und Aron, Die Jakobsleiter, 5 Pieces for Orchestra, Piano Concerto, Violin Concerto

Berg: Three Orchestral Pieces, Wozzeck, Violin Concerto, Der Wein

Webern: Langsamer Satz, 6 Pieces for Orchestra (and yes to the Originalfassung)

Skalkottas: Passacaglia for Piano, The Return of Ulysses, Concerto for Two Violins, Second Suite for Orchestra, Piano Concertos etc.
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#8
June 22, 2015, 12:06:48 PM
Berg - Lyric Suite (original string quartet version)
Schoenberg - 3rd string quartet
Webern - String Trio, op. 20
Schoenberg - String Trio
Berg - Wozzeck


And to keep it a round two each, Webern's Cantata for soprano, bass, mixed chorus, and orchestra, op. 31. 


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San Antone

#9
June 22, 2015, 02:49:25 PM
Today's list OTTOMH

Webern Symphony Op. 21
Webern Variations for Piano, Op. 27
Schoenberg Piano Concerto, Op. 42
Berg Violin Concerto
Berg Lulu Suite

Karl Henning

#10
June 23, 2015, 03:37:45 AM
Quote from: sanantonio on June 22, 2015, 02:49:25 PM
Today's list OTTOMH

Entirely the right idea!

My list du jour:

Schoenberg, Serenade, Op.24
Schoenberg, Wind Quintet, Op.26
Schoenberg, Begleitungsmusik zu einer Lichtspielszene, Op.34
Berg, Kammerkonzert für Klavier und Geige mit 13 Bläsern
Webern, Fünf Canons nach lateinischen Texten für Sopran, Klarinette und Baßklarinette, Op.16
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
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[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Rons_talking

#11
June 23, 2015, 04:00:25 AM
Berg: Three Pieces for Orchestra
Webern: Six Pieces for Orchestra
Schoenberg: Variations for Orchestra
Schoenberg: Five Pieces for Orchestra
Schoenberg: Piano Concerto

Karl Henning

#12
June 23, 2015, 04:02:50 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on June 23, 2015, 03:37:45 AM
Entirely the right idea!

My list du jour:

Schoenberg, Serenade, Op.24
Schoenberg, Wind Quintet, Op.26
Schoenberg, Begleitungsmusik zu einer Lichtspielszene, Op.34
Berg, Kammerkonzert für Klavier und Geige mit 13 Bläsern
Webern, Fünf Canons nach lateinischen Texten für Sopran, Klarinette und Baßklarinette, Op.16

Quote from: Rons_talking on June 23, 2015, 04:00:25 AM
Berg: Three Pieces for Orchestra
Webern: Six Pieces for Orchestra
Schoenberg: Variations for Orchestra
Schoenberg: Five Pieces for Orchestra
Schoenberg: Piano Concerto

This guy likes the small-scale stuff;  this other, the Grand Scale . . . .

8)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

North Star

#13
June 23, 2015, 04:41:04 AM
Quote from: karlhenning on June 23, 2015, 03:37:45 AM
Entirely the right idea!

My list du jour:

Schoenberg, Serenade, Op.24
Schoenberg, Wind Quintet, Op.26
Schoenberg, Begleitungsmusik zu einer Lichtspielszene, Op.34
Berg, Kammerkonzert für Klavier und Geige mit 13 Bläsern
Webern, Fünf Canons nach lateinischen Texten für Sopran, Klarinette und Baßklarinette, Op.16
Give us a few days and the entire oeuvres of the three will be listed.  8)
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

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Karl Henning

#14
June 23, 2015, 04:45:16 AM
Quote from: North Star on June 23, 2015, 04:41:04 AM
Give us a few days and the entire oeuvres of the three will be listed.  8)

This is true, too  8)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

EigenUser

#15
June 23, 2015, 05:21:14 AM
Quote from: North Star on June 23, 2015, 04:41:04 AM
Give us a few days and the entire oeuvres of the three will be listed.  8)
I think for Webern we're, what, like 3/4 of the way through already?
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

(poco) Sforzando

#16
June 23, 2015, 05:24:26 AM
Berg - Wozzeck and the Three Orchestra Pieces
Schoenberg - Erwartung, Five Pieces for Orchestra
Webern - Concerto for Nine Instruments
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

Rons_talking

#17
June 23, 2015, 05:53:18 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on June 23, 2015, 04:02:50 AM
This guy likes the small-scale stuff;  this other, the Grand Scale . . . .

8)

And such boring titles for the large scale works!

(poco) Sforzando

#18
June 23, 2015, 06:08:14 PM
Quote from: karlhenning on June 23, 2015, 04:45:16 AM
This is true, too  8)

Somehow I doubt "Von Heute auf Morgen" will make anybody's top five list. But ya never know. . . .
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

Trout

#19
June 23, 2015, 09:22:28 PM
Berg: Chamber Concerto
Schoenberg: Das Buch der hängenden Gärten
Schoenberg: Pierrot Lunaire
Webern: Five Movements for String Quartet
Webern: Six Pieces for Orchestra
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