Countdown to Extinction: The 2016 Presidential Election

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Sammy

Looks like Trump is going to duke it out with the Pope.  This sure is a crazy election cycle.

Karl Henning

Well, doesn't practically everyone accept El Tupé as the authority on who is and who is not a Christian?
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knight66

I saw him waving a bible about....the one my mother gave me when I was a kid.

He did not have the wit to make it look even marginally dogeared. In any argument with this pope, he loses whether or not he realises it.

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(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: Sammy on February 18, 2016, 01:47:00 PM
Looks like Trump is going to duke it out with the Pope.  This sure is a crazy election cycle.

Good way to show your credentials as a world leader. Insult one of the most highly respected religious figures today.

This hilarious article just came out, which leads off:

QuoteIn a recent interview with Donald Trump, Fox News' Greta van Susteren posed a simple question from a viewer: "Why don't you act more presidential?"

"I will be changing very rapidly," answered Trump, fresh from his smashing victory in the New Hampshire primary. "I'm very capable of changing to anything I want to change to."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-why-trump-voters-accept-the-bad-with-the-good/article/2583531

So much for genuineness and authenticity. Isn't a presidential campaign supposed to be like a job interview where you show how you can be expected to behave on the job?
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(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: knight66 on February 19, 2016, 06:51:58 AM
I saw him waving a bible about....the one my mother gave me when I was a kid.

He did not have the wit to make it look even marginally dogeared. In any argument with this pope, he loses whether or not he realises it.

Mike

Perhaps he takes good care of his books, and don't forget, he called The Good Book his favorite, even above The Art of the Deal. But when pressed for a favorite Biblical passage, he demurred, saying that's too personal.

Now come on: any bona fide Bible thumper will always want to quote passages in your face. They love doing that.
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knight66

I agree and I relished the authenticity article. A latter day carpetbagger in disguise.

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North Star

Surely this is Trump's favourite bible passage...
Quote from: Mark 10:25 (KJV)It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
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(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: North Star on February 19, 2016, 08:01:51 AM
Surely this is Trump's favourite bible passage...

May be, but the point of that parable is specifically to discourage the acquisition of wealth, and to divest one's self of material possessions that one has.
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Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on February 19, 2016, 08:06:25 AM
[T]he point of that parable is specifically to discourage the acquisition of wealth, and to divest one's self of material possessions that one has.
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drogulus

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QuoteIt is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

      First, it's not a camel, it's a rope. Secundo, why the fuck would anyone rich want to go there? I would think that part of the point of getting rich would be to eliminate any worries on that score. Let the poor go there is what I say. They can't buy their way out and they can bore each other shitless for eternity, which is no more than they deserve.
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(I forgot, Dems don't pander, they offer thoughtful analyses and policies and genuine statements of concern.)
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Mookalafalas

Bush drops out.  Unfortunate.  I hope this doesn't enable Rubio to surge to the fore. I really want to see Republicans with Trump as their candidate ::)
It's all good...

knight66

Can someone explain to me why Sanders seems to lag in obtaining Black support? He has been on the civil rights trail for decades, yet that has not convinced the black voters to support him.

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     Idaho bill calls for Bible in schools for astronomy, biology, geology

     
Quote from: knight66 on February 21, 2016, 02:49:13 AM
Can someone explain to me why Sanders seems to lag in obtaining Black support? He has been on the civil rights trail for decades, yet that has not convinced the black voters to support him.

Mike

     He's a Jew, in the way these things are understood, and he's from an all white state. Also, black voters are not progressives, they are substantially more churchy than any other Dem group and imbibe most of their liberalism from pastors, trusting the politicians with links to them. The socialist/labor end of the civil rights struggle has been submerged since 1968.
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knight66

OK, thanks, I guessed he would not be impressing charismatic let alone fundamentalist Christians; but thought that was less of an issue amonget democrats. Oh well....

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Quote from: knight66 on February 21, 2016, 02:49:13 AM
Can someone explain to me why Sanders seems to lag in obtaining Black support? He has been on the civil rights trail for decades, yet that has not convinced the black voters to support him.

Mike
Part of it is simply name recognition. Bill Clinton was called "the first black president" and Hillary has continued to do a truly outstanding job of outreach and collaboration with the black community. (Note: by "outstanding," I mean in the context of rich white politicians, so we're grading on a curve.) Hillary is also forthright about African-American issues, like in this speech, where she states that "There are still very real barriers holding back African Americans from fully participating in our society."

Bernie Sanders is less well-known, and his participation in the civil rights movement is something that he's had to tell everybody about, because not only do most African-Americans not know Bernie was on the civil rights trail - they just don't know who he is at all. But he also is more or less a one-issue candidate, focused on income inequality and breaking up banks. A lot of his outreach to African-Americans has been uncreatively lecturing them on how they need to care more about income inequality. The Black Lives Matter movement protested a few Bernie speeches last summer because he was very slow to talk about racial issues that weren't finance-related.

If you read that Hillary speech in the link above, you'll notice she takes a clear swipe at him: "it's not enough for your economic plan to be, "break up the banks." You also need a serious plan to create jobs, especially in places where unemployment remains stubbornly high. You need a plan to address the generations of underinvestment and neglect. Now even if we succeed on raising taxes on every millionaire and billionaire in America — and believe me, I do intend to succeed at that — we still need to face the painful reality that African Americans are nearly three times as likely as whites to be denied a mortgage. Something's wrong when the median wealth for black families is just a tiny fraction of the median wealth of white families. And when gun violence is by far the leading cause of death for young African American men, outstripping the next nine causes of death combined, there is something deeply wrong."