Top 10 Most Wabi-Sabi Pieces you've heard

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Karl Henning

Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

kishnevi

Bach: Art of Fugue
Schubert:  Symphony 8
Mahler:  Symphony 10
Mozart:  Requiem
Bruckner: Symphony 9

For a start.  You may notice a pattern there.

Brian

#2
Oh, easy. The "big tune" from the first movement of Schubert's string quintet, D956.

I can't think of another example of "the beauty of impermanence" that's half as good. Maybe a piano miniature that's deliberately made to sound unfinished? Like that one Chopin mazurka in A minor. Or "Im wunderschönen Monat Mai".

Jo498

As every music "vanishes" as soon as it has sounded, it seems that the "beauty of impermanence" is not a special feature.
Tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos, dans une chambre.
- Blaise Pascal

Karl Henning

I'm enjoying this with appropriate transience  0:)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Sergeant Rock

"Characteristics of the wabi-sabi aesthetic include asymmetry, asperity (roughness or irregularity), simplicity, economy, austerity"

Any symphony by Havergal Brian composed in the last 20 years of his life  8)


Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Dax

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 18, 2016, 07:19:43 AM
"Characteristics of the wabi-sabi aesthetic include asymmetry, asperity (roughness or irregularity), simplicity, economy, austerity"
Sarge

Earle Brown's December 1952?

Mirror Image

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on April 18, 2016, 07:19:43 AM
"Characteristics of the wabi-sabi aesthetic include asymmetry, asperity (roughness or irregularity), simplicity, economy, austerity"

Any symphony by Havergal Brian composed in the last 20 years of his life  8)


Sarge

Sounds like Carl Ruggles to me.



amw

Quote from: Brian on April 18, 2016, 06:47:22 AM
I can't think of another example of "the beauty of impermanence" that's half as good.
[audio]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/intimate_sketches_8.mp3[/audio]

&/or
[audio]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/cavatina.mp3[/audio]

(Click the blue text that says "Re: Top 10 Most Wabi-Sabi Pieces you've heard" on the top of my post in order to make the audio player visible)

James

Quote from: amw on April 18, 2016, 03:20:06 PM
[audio]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/intimate_sketches_8.mp3[/audio]

&/or
[audio]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32084883/cavatina.mp3[/audio]

(Click the blue text that says "Re: Top 10 Most Wabi-Sabi Pieces you've heard" on the top of my post in order to make the audio player visible)

I don't see anything? ..
Action is the only truth

ludwigii

I think

Richard Wagner : Albumblatt (Elegie) - Sviatoslav Richter

http://www.youtube.com/v/CO1rGXhQFE8

"I have forced myself to contradict myself in order to avoid conforming to my own taste."
Marcel Duchamp

Mirror Image


ludwigii

Another proposal, Brahms : Piano Concerto no.1 , II movement

http://www.youtube.com/v/Hodg7x0v5oc

I really love it, in this particular interpretation, Arrau makes it so mysterious, of an austere beauty, philosophical ...

"I have forced myself to contradict myself in order to avoid conforming to my own taste."
Marcel Duchamp

Jo498

What's so "wabi-sabi" about the cello tune in Schubert's quintet? Why impermanent? It's the most distinguishable "regular square tune" in the whole movement and it is repeated many times, so I don't quite get this. I'd rather say, it's one of the least "wabi-sabi" passages in that piece but I may not have grasped that concept well and as I said, I don't really understand how a musical theme/moment/passage could be anything else but fleeting and transient; this is simply the way of this art.
Whereas it might be unusual and interesting in art works that are usually "permanent", e.g. Michelangelos David vs. a wabisabi stone garden.
Tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos, dans une chambre.
- Blaise Pascal

some guy

Quote from: karlhenning on April 18, 2016, 03:44:28 AM
The aesthetic is sometimes described as one of [appreciating] beauty that is "imperfect, impermanent, and incomplete".
Quote from: jamesMore gobbledygook.
Wow, you're on a roll here, aren't you? But again, there is no gobbledygook here. The only technical term in the post is "aesthetic," and surely those of us who spend most of our time with the arts can deal with a word like "aesthetic" without flippin out, can we not?

Otherwise, there is just "described," simple, "appreciating," simple, "beauty," very contentious term but still simple. And all three attributes--imperfect, impermanent, and incomplete--are simple and straighforward descriptors.

Only the term in the subject heading--Wabi-Sabi--comes even close to being gobbledygook.

The rest, again, is simply not.

What it looks like to me, if I may be allowed a wee bit conjecture here--and allowed to use "conjecture" without being accused of "gobbledygook" in return :P--you seem unwilling to address the concepts themselves, preferring to simply call names. And name-calling is just lazy.  :D

James

Quote from: some guy on April 18, 2016, 11:55:03 PMWow, you're on a roll here, aren't you? But again, there is no gobbledygook here. The only technical term in the post is "aesthetic," and surely those of us who spend most of our time with the arts can deal with a word like "aesthetic" without flippin out, can we not?

Otherwise, there is just "described," simple, "appreciating," simple, "beauty," very contentious term but still simple. And all three attributes--imperfect, impermanent, and incomplete--are simple and straighforward descriptors.

Only the term in the subject heading--Wabi-Sabi--comes even close to being gobbledygook.

The rest, again, is simply not.

What it looks like to me, if I may be allowed a wee bit conjecture here--and allowed to use "conjecture" without being accused of "gobbledygook" in return :P--you seem unwilling to address the concepts themselves, preferring to simply call names. And name-calling is just lazy.  :D

Boy oh boy you love to jabber.. ... you love words more than music - that's for sure.
Action is the only truth

some guy

Karl,

I feel as if this thread were made specifically for me.

And I have not taken advantage of it, yet.

I want to give you the best response I can. Some day.

For now, know that I appreciate your starting this thread, and in the next coupla weeks or so, after the festival in Barcelona and then the festival in Prague, and all the backlog of reviews yet unwritten, I will return to this thread with a real response. A suitable, a fitting, an appropriate response.

Thanks,

Michael

Karl Henning

There is no rush.  That is part of why it is.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot