Countdown to Extinction: The 2016 Presidential Election

[Mookalafalas]

  This would REALLY amaze me if it pans out.  All of these struggling folks who feel abandoned by the economy are going to dig deep to help a guy who says he has 10 billion dollars and doesn't need any money?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/top-trump-donors-meet-amid-growing-concerns-campaign-143006199.html?ref=gs

[The new erato]

Yes indeed, but he's on telly, so he must be good!

[Gurn Blanston]

Yea right, its not about her . Do you really believe even for a second that she did this for anyone but herself?

A dignified human being would have escaped the public life and restored herself to private life just from the sheer shame and humiliation of what her husband did. But the media together with the democratic establishment had unsurprisingly prostrated at the Clinton Family, trying to exonerate bill of any wrong doing, as if he was totally clueless at what he was doing with that intern. Some people even suggesting :" oh come on, what did he already do". To his great credit at that time Joe Lieberman had not prostrated and I believe he was the only one and he publicly rebuked clinton for his grave behavior and the terrible role model he has become for young people, and the cheapening of the office of Presidency.

So if you ask me, I would say that the Dems have invented prostration.

I think you need to get your prostrate checked. Seriously, who, where, when how has anyone ever tried to exonerate Bill Clinton of being a dick-led philanderer?

More than that, though, who actually gives a  f*ck at this late date whether he got a blowjob from some star struck intern back in 1996 or whenever that was? I am not voting for Bill Clinton, he isn't even running in this election. And no, I don't think Hillary is his meat puppet, about to give us another 8 years of Bill by proxy.

Do I think she is the perfect candidate? Hell no! But if it comes to voting for her or Trump, I think you can probably guess I ain't voting for Trump. If she is the only other viable choice, so be it. If you want to attack her on policy, have at it. I haven't heard anything yet from anyone about that. And you can't attack Trump on policy, because unlike Hillary, he hasn't put anything out there, other than when he gets in the White House, he's gonna be the greatest President of all time. Big fu**ing deal.  How? What are you going to do? What will Congress let you do?

Frankly, if you can't talk anything other than personality issues, I really don't care what you have to say.

And yes, I was a Republican for 30 years, until the assholes drove me away by collectively being the biggest bunch of douche bags Washington has ever seen. So don't give me this Liberal Leftie bullsh*t either. I was voting for Republicans when you were still in diapers. Real Republicans.

[The new erato]

I think you need to get your prostrate checked. Seriously, who, where, when how has anyone ever tried to exonerate Bill Clinton of being a dick-led philanderer?

More than that, though, who actually gives a  f*ck at this late date whether he got a blowjob from some star struck intern back in 1996 or whenever that was? I am not voting for Bill Clinton, he isn't even running in this election. And no, I don't think Hillary is his meat puppet, about to give us another 8 years of Bill by proxy.

Do I think she is the perfect candidate? Hell no! But if it comes to voting for her or Trump, I think you can probably guess I ain't voting for Trump. If she is the only other viable choice, so be it. If you want to attack her on policy, have at it. I haven't heard anything yet from anyone about that. And you can't attack Trump on policy, because unlike Hillary, he hasn't put anything out there, other than when he gets in the White House, he's gonna be the greatest President of all time. Big fu**ing deal.  How? What are you going to do? What will Congress let you do?

Frankly, if you can't talk anything other than personality issues, I really don't care what you have to say.

And yes, I was a Republican for 30 years, until the assholes drove me away by collectively being the biggest bunch of douche bags Washington has ever seen. So don't give me this Liberal Leftie bullsh*t either. I was voting for Republicans when you were still in diapers. Real Republicans.

Regarding what little I know about current US politics; this sums it up very well. And a good summing up on other aspects on this thread as well. Kudos to you Gurn.

[Todd]

  Right. Republicans prefer prostration to an overlord. I loved the Putin-envy thing last year "Why can't Obama be a real leader, like him"

What Putin-envy thing?

[Mookalafalas]

What Putin-envy thing?

Google, say, "Fox news Putin love"

[Karl Henning]

More than that, though, who actually gives a  f*ck at this late date whether he got a blowjob from some star struck intern back in 1996 or whenever that was?

Only, perhaps, the Republican Congressmen who have turned out to be men's room sex offenders.

[Madiel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Hilary_(2011)

The similarities are staggering...

Hurricane Hilary (2011)

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Hurricane Hilary was a very powerful and intense hurricane that developed during the 2011 Pacific hurricane season. The fourth Category 4 and major hurricane, seventh hurricane, and eighth tropical storm of the season, Hilary developed from an area of low pressure off the Pacific coast of Central America in mid-September. Organizing quickly, the system became a tropical depression on September 21, after gaining enough organization to be declared as such. While moving towards the west-northwest, the depression continued to gather strength, and was subsequently upgraded to a tropical storm just several hours later. On September 21, Hilary was declared as a Category 1 hurricane, while located close to the Mexican coastline, where the storm brought heavy rainfall and flooding. Undergoing rapid intensification, Hilary strengthened into a Category 4 hurricane on September 22, recognized with a distinct eye feature. Beginning to enter cooler Ocean temperatures, Hilary began to weaken by September 25, but briefly restrengthened into a Category 4 the following day. Atmospheric conditions became increasingly unfavorable late on September 26, and the system began to weaken. During the afternoon hours of September 30, Hilary became a remnant low, while located several hundred miles away from any landmasses.

The only thing that is staggering is your confidence that you can cut and paste great big slabs of meaningless text and everyone will understand what the hell you are thinking.

[(poco) Sforzando]

The only thing that is staggering is your confidence that you can cut and paste great big slabs of meaningless text and everyone will understand what the hell you are thinking.

Yeah, only James can cut and paste great big slabs of meaningless text.

[Ken B]

"And yes, I was a Republican for 30 years, until ... "

The internet is surprisingly full of people who say they were Republicans for N years, until ... And yet if they were all telling the truth the GOP would never have lost an election.

[Brian]

"And yes, I was a Republican for 30 years, until ... "

The internet is surprisingly full of people who say they were Republicans for N years, until ... And yet if they were all telling the truth the GOP would never have lost an election.

If you leave out the Ross Perot effect, they won continually from 1978 to 1994, and then again won most of the time in the Bush era.

[Ken B]

I loved the Putin-envy thing last year "Why can't Obama be a real leader, like him"

Yeah, that bothers me too, but maybe for different reasons than you. It reveals Trump's idea of how to get stuff done.  I think Trump has the idea that he can just solve problems by direct action. A strong forceful decisive leader blah blah. Trumpman!  I do not worry he's about to introduce the Stasi but I think he will push executive orders and actions as far as Obama has, or further.  I don't think he'd break black letter law but he'll push on stuff and it takes time to enforce restraint through the courts (if it can be done at all).

[Brian]

Yeah, that bothers me too, but maybe for different reasons than you. It reveals Trump's idea of how to get stuff done.  I think Trump has the idea that he can just solve problems by direct action. A strong forceful decisive leader blah blah. Trumpman!  I do not worry he's about to introduce the Stasi but I think he will push executive orders and actions as far as Obama has, or further.  I don't think he'd break black letter law but he'll push on stuff and it takes time to enforce restraint through the courts (if it can be done at all).

This is where my viewpoint is, except that I do think he will try to break black letter laws - not because of malevolence, but because he is clearly pretty clueless about many of the laws constraining presidential power.

[Ken B]

  This would REALLY amaze me if it pans out.  All of these struggling folks who feel abandoned by the economy are going to dig deep to help a guy who says he has 10 billion dollars and doesn't need any money?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/top-trump-donors-meet-amid-growing-concerns-campaign-143006199.html?ref=gs

I bet you it will work very damn well indeed.

A keen issue for Trump voters is respect. Many feel -- and they are entirely correct -- that the elite treats them with contempt. (National Review wrote their communities "deserve to die"). You don't think that people will want to feel like part of the effort, and feel respected for their small contribution. A small example: During the attacks on Denmark over the Mohammed cartoons I ate more Havarti than I could stand. I doubt it made diddly squat difference to the Danes but it did to me.

[28Orot]

The only thing that is staggering is your confidence that you can cut and paste great big slabs of meaningless text and everyone will understand what the hell you are thinking.

You sure have an interesting definition of 'big slabs'...

[Ken B]

This is where my viewpoint is, except that I do think he will try to break black letter laws - not because of malevolence, but because he is clearly pretty clueless about many of the laws constraining presidential power.

Possibly, but it's not his pattern. He pattern in business seems to be to try things, but respect legal limits when applied.

In any case we have seen relentless executive creep. It sped up under Bush II, and even more under Obama. I'm not sure it won't be just as bad under Hillary though. In either case I want divided government! That's my new gospel: the virtues of divided government.

[Todd]

Google, say, "Fox news Putin love"

Ah, Fox News, I see. 

[Mookalafalas]

I bet you it will work very damn well indeed.

A keen issue for Trump voters is respect. Many feel -- and they are entirely correct -- that the elite treats them with contempt. (National Review wrote their communities "deserve to die"). You don't think that people will want to feel like part of the effort, and feel respected for their small contribution. A small example: During the attacks on Denmark over the Mohammed cartoons I ate more Havarti than I could stand. I doubt it made diddly squat difference to the Danes but it did to me.

  But as you say, they were under attack.  Bernie got a zillion small checks, as did Obama 8 years ago, but they were seen as underdogs, and people wanted to help.  If a guy says "Believe me, I have lots and lots of money. I don't need their money,"--and everybody sees his towers and planes with his name on them, who's going to be motivated to give? I think these struggling working class people are going to say "$10 is a lot to me. It's nothing to him."  You may be right, but I don't see it happening.  An article just came out about his fundraising, and it looks like not only is it a disaster, there is no movement afoot to get it operational.  His ground game seems to be in similar shape. 

[28Orot]

I think you need to get your prostrate checked. Seriously, who, where, when how has anyone ever tried to exonerate Bill Clinton of being a dick-led philanderer?

More than that, though, who actually gives a  f*ck at this late date whether he got a blowjob from some star struck intern back in 1996 or whenever that was? I am not voting for Bill Clinton, he isn't even running in this election. And no, I don't think Hillary is his meat puppet, about to give us another 8 years of Bill by proxy.

Do I think she is the perfect candidate? Hell no! But if it comes to voting for her or Trump, I think you can probably guess I ain't voting for Trump. If she is the only other viable choice, so be it. If you want to attack her on policy, have at it. I haven't heard anything yet from anyone about that. And you can't attack Trump on policy, because unlike Hillary, he hasn't put anything out there, other than when he gets in the White House, he's gonna be the greatest President of all time. Big fu**ing deal.  How? What are you going to do? What will Congress let you do?

Frankly, if you can't talk anything other than personality issues, I really don't care what you have to say.

And yes, I was a Republican for 30 years, until the assholes drove me away by collectively being the biggest bunch of douche bags Washington has ever seen. So don't give me this Liberal Leftie bullsh*t either. I was voting for Republicans when you were still in diapers. Real Republicans.

Were you on Mars when all of this happened?

The entire Media and his democratic bedfellows stood at his side and supported this indecent human being, so for his wife to come out and have the audacity to run again as president after what her husband did, just shows her wicked and crud personality. I have no desire to elect someone who maybe has some great policy ideas (which she clearly doesn't, please tell me one good thing or policy she had done in all her long political career) but has a lousy and terrible personality. Yes personality is where it all begins and where it all ends.

Nothing can be more important.

[Todd]

This is where my viewpoint is, except that I do think he will try to break black letter laws - not because of malevolence, but because he is clearly pretty clueless about many of the laws constraining presidential power.

In terms of constraints on use of military force, there appear to be no laws effectively constraining presidential power at the present time.