Countdown to Extinction: The 2016 Presidential Election

[Karl Henning]

Possibly, but it's not his pattern. He pattern in business seems to be to try things, but respect legal limits when applied.

Headline today: Dozens of lawsuits accuse Trump of not paying his bills, reports claim.  Possibly not strictly illegal.  And for El Tupé, anything he can get away with will serve for ethical.  Not paying your bills is a great way to control expenditures, I guess.

[Karl Henning]

Ah, Fox News, I see. 

Mind you, two at least of El Tupé's most important supporters in the media, are at Fox.

[Ken B]

Where you on Mars when all of this happened?

The entire Media and his democratic bedfellows stood at his side

I must say I agree on this point. Does Gurn really truly not remember when Lewinsky was attacked as a liar? When shills filled the airwaves denying Clinton did anything wrong? Sidney Blumenthal, Lanny Davis.

[Ken B]

Headline today: Dozens of lawsuits accuse Trump of not paying his bills, reports claim.  Possibly not strictly illegal.  And for El Tupé, anything he can get away with will serve for ethical.  Not paying your bills is a great way to control expenditures, I guess.

Pffft. Lots of disputes go to court. I assume you are referring to the weak tea served by USA Today. In that article, way down, we find
"To be sure, Trump and his companies have prevailed in many legal disputes over missing payments, or reached settlements that cloud the terms reached by the parties."

And if we're going to believe every accusation I would like to discuss Juanita Broderick please.

[Karl Henning]

Pffft. Lots of disputes go to court. I assume you are referring to the weak tea served by USA Today. In that article, way down, we find

"To be sure, Trump and his companies have prevailed in many legal disputes over missing payments, or reached settlements that cloud the terms reached by the parties."

And if we're going to believe every accusation I would like to discuss Juanita Broderick please.

Doesn't alter your point, but the headline is at Fox News.

[Todd]

Mind you, two at least of El Tupé's most important supporters in the media, are at Fox.

Since Fox News is the most popular right wing television news source in the US, I would rather expect Trump has more support than that, either real or of the toe the line type.  But the reach of Fox is limited.  I believe its top rated show pulls in about three million viewers.  Some of those viewers may even vote based on what they see and hear on Fox, though I suspect many are predisposed to vote that way anyway.  I'm not sure what can be concluded from the goings-on at Fox News.

[Karl Henning]

I'm not sure what can be concluded from the goings-on at Fox News.

Nor me, to be sure.

[Brian]

so for his wife to come out and have the audacity to run again as president after what her husband did, just shows her wicked and crud personality.

Just to be clear here, what you are saying is that it is "wicked" for Hillary to be a public figure because her husband slept with another woman??

[28Orot]

Just to be clear here, what you are saying is that it is "wicked" for Hillary to be a public figure because her husband slept with another woman??

Yes, because it shows a crud and shameless personality.

[Gurn Blanston]

I must say I agree on this point. Does Gurn really truly not remember when Lewinsky was attacked as a liar? When shills filled the airwaves denying Clinton did anything wrong? Sidney Blumenthal, Lanny Davis.

Well, it's true, I don't hang on every word of 24 hour news coverage, and I haven't the vaguest idea who those 2 people are. In any case, when it comes to attaching importance to things, I start with whether they are actually important. The controversy I do remember was the big discussion over whether oral sex constituted 'sexual relations' or not.

All of which is fine, but as I said, who gives a shit? Bill is not running for anything. You can whine about his exploits till the cows come home, and all it is is a red herring which has nothing at all to do with her. Show me where SHE was blowing interns (I'll need the video with that) and I will reconsider. She is no MILF in MY book, or anyone else's, I think, so it is unlikely you will be able to do that.

It's funny to me how people who actually think they have a grip on how government needs to work, and who needs to be in charge and what they will do on the world stage, can't get past a little blowjob among friends. If I didn't think otherwise, I would be forced to say 'small minds'. Let's all grow up a little bit, shall we? 

[Brian]

Yes, because it shows a crud and shameless personality.

I honestly do not understand this.

If you had a wife and she slept with another man, would you really say "I guess I can never be president"?

[Gurn Blanston]

Yes, because it shows a crud and shameless personality.

QED

[Todd]

I found this Guardian op-ed amusing, the first half especially.  Demagogue vs former President's wife.  Hillary as a Great Power Kirchner!

[28Orot]

Well, it's true, I don't hang on every word of 24 hour news coverage, and I haven't the vaguest idea who those 2 people are. In any case, when it comes to attaching importance to things, I start with whether they are actually important. The controversy I do remember was the big discussion over whether oral sex constituted 'sexual relations' or not.

All of which is fine, but as I said, who gives a shit? Bill is not running for anything. You can whine about his exploits till the cows come home, and all it is is a red herring which has nothing at all to do with her. Show me where SHE was blowing interns (I'll need the video with that) and I will reconsider. She is no MILF in MY book, or anyone else's, I think, so it is unlikely you will be able to do that.

It's funny to me how people who actually think they have a grip on how government needs to work, and who needs to be in charge and what they will do on the world stage, can't get past a little blowjob among friends. If I didn't think otherwise, I would be forced to say 'small minds'. Let's all grow up a little bit, shall we? 

Blow*** is a private thing between two consenting individuals, and is not what we the people expect of our leaders to see a front page in every capital in the world that our president has cheated on his wife and had taken a young girl's trust and confidence for his own personal pleasures.

This wouldn't be an issue if bill was a private citizen in some rural town in Arkansas...

Darn, I simply don't know why I have to explain the obvious....

[Gurn Blanston]

Blow*** is a private thing between two consenting individuals, and is not what we the people expect of our leaders to see a front page in every capital in the world that our president has cheated on his wife and had taken a young girl's trust and confidence for his own personal pleasures.

This wouldn't be an issue if bill was a private citizen in some rural town in Arkansas...

Darn, I simply don't know why I have to explain the obvious....

I don't disagree it was in issue in 1997. For it to be still an issue now boggles the mind. Damn, I simply don't know why I have to explain the obvious...

[Brian]

Show me where SHE was blowing interns (I'll need the video with that) and I will reconsider.

I wouldn't. Maybe it's cuz I'm younger, but really, if Hillary was getting some hot action, who cares? Good for her. Don't lie about it, or whisper state secrets to your lover a la Petraeus, or legislate against your secret kinks. But if you can have some bedroom fun times without influencing your ability to do your job, I really don't care.

P.S. Somebody tell Saul to never move to France...

[28Orot]

I honestly do not understand this.

If you had a wife and she slept with another man, would you really say "I guess I can never be president"?

If you are a decent individual who doesn't want to be the talk of the country and the world, you will not continue to have a public life. But if cheating, sexual promiscuity and indecent behavior is something that you can tolerate just like the clintons then by all means you wouldn't mind becoming the president.

Catch my drift?

[28Orot]

I don't disagree it was in issue in 1997. For it to be still an issue now boggles the mind. Damn, I simply don't know why I have to explain the obvious...

If someone was busy stealing used tires from some nerd in the middle of nowhere and he was caught and persecuted and the entire nation knew that he was a thief, wouldn't this bother you a little if today this schmuck decided to run for office?

[Gurn Blanston]

If someone was busy stealing used tires from some nerd in the middle of nowhere and he was caught and persecuted and the entire nation knew that he was a thief, wouldn't this bother you a little if today this schmuck decided to run for office?

Umm.. Bill isn't running for office. There IS a schmuck running, but it isn't him. As I say, it is a non-issue. You really need to get past that and let your mind ripen a little bit.

[Todd]

But if you can have some bedroom fun times without influencing your ability to do your job, I really don't care.

I agree, but sexual indiscretions make for easy political pickings, and they can easily be used to call into question the judgment of the person engaging in such tomfoolery.  Plus, it all makes for great entertainment. 

And as pimp extraordinaire Dominique Strauss-Kahn, even the French have limits.