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(poco) Sforzando

#4120
October 23, 2008, 06:00:38 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2008, 04:15:36 AM
Good thinking. And correct, too!

I know nothing of Zimmermann's piano music (though I have seen Die Soldaten and heard the Requiem). So is it one of these:

Extemporale for piano (1946)
Capriccio for Piano
Enchidrion I for piano (1949)
Enchidrion II for piano (1951)
Konfigurationen (Configurations) for piano (1956)
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

J.Z. Herrenberg

#4121
October 23, 2008, 06:12:47 AM
363 - Cornelius Cardew, Treatise?
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

lukeottevanger

#4122
October 23, 2008, 06:41:46 AM
Quote from: Sforzando on October 23, 2008, 06:00:38 AM
I know nothing of Zimmermann's piano music (though I have seen Die Soldaten and heard the Requiem). So is it one of these:

Extemporale for piano (1946)
Capriccio for Piano
Enchidrion I for piano (1949)
Enchidrion II for piano (1951)
Konfigurationen (Configurations) for piano (1956)

Wrong Zimmermann...

lukeottevanger

#4123
October 23, 2008, 06:43:52 AM
Quote from: Jezetha on October 23, 2008, 06:12:47 AM
363 - Cornelius Cardew, Treatise?

Right composer, wrong piece. (I had a page of Treatise up on this thread ages ago - all pages of the ringbound score to Treatise are landscape, with at least one line of a stave running across the width as a continuous element; otherwise, the score is entirely graphic, and beautifully so - Cardew's day job, at times, was as a graphic designer)

J.Z. Herrenberg

#4124
October 23, 2008, 06:48:16 AM
The Great Learning, then.
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

lukeottevanger

#4125
October 23, 2008, 06:50:16 AM
No - I forgot he has so many scholastic titles (The Great Learning is from Confucius - I had a page from that one up on this thread somewhere too!) This one is even more explicitly school-related than either of those. If you can't find a reference to it, I'll reveal it soon.

lukeottevanger

#4126
October 23, 2008, 06:52:38 AM
Yes - Treatise was my mystery score 35, and The Great Learning was 135

J.Z. Herrenberg

#4127
October 23, 2008, 06:55:24 AM
Either Schooltime Compositions or Schooltime Special?
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

lukeottevanger

#4128
October 23, 2008, 06:57:06 AM
Very good! The first of these. He really did have a thing for education, it seems!

(poco) Sforzando

#4129
October 23, 2008, 08:10:18 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2008, 06:41:46 AM
Wrong Zimmermann...

::)

Does that mean it's not one of those five pieces?
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

(poco) Sforzando

#4130
October 23, 2008, 08:17:29 AM
Try one of these from Ian's website. I'll guess the first one, as the longest:

WALTER ZIMMERMANN
Beginner's Mind (1976)***(of complete version) 60'
Abgeschiedenheit (1982)** 20'
Wüstenwanderung (1986)** 25'
When I'm Eighty-Four (1989) 3'
Barn Snail-Dance (1997) 3'
Wanda Landowskas verschwundene Instrumente (1998) 20'
Aimide (2001-2002)*** 15'
Blaupause (Schatten der Ideen 6) (2003)*** 5'
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

lukeottevanger

#4131
October 23, 2008, 08:22:47 AM
Yes - he's a great composer, and Pace's recordings of him are awesome. But I never said it was a piano piece - I said it was a piece by a composer who Pace has said is responsible for some of the very hardest piano music ever (he means Wüstenwanderung in particular, FWIW).

Zimmermann's website is quite an interesting place...  ;) ;) ;) ;)

lukeottevanger

#4132
October 23, 2008, 08:24:37 AM
All of the pieces you found except the last two are one a double CD of Zimmermann's piano music recorded by Pace. Beginner's Mind, of course, takes the first disc - and it's a fascinating piece in many ways. I find it really interesting and thought-provoking, personally.

(poco) Sforzando

#4133
October 23, 2008, 08:29:13 AM
Quote from: lukeottevanger on October 23, 2008, 08:22:47 AM
Yes - he's a great composer, and Pace's recordings of him are awesome. But I never said it was a piano piece - I said it was a piece by a composer who Pace has said is responsible for some of the very hardest piano music ever (he means Wüstenwanderung in particular, FWIW).

That's as far as I can go....
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

Guido

#4134
October 23, 2008, 08:36:42 AM
Il Prigioniero by Dallapiccola?
Geologist.

The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away

lukeottevanger

#4135
October 23, 2008, 08:39:08 AM
I guess you're referring to a different one, but if so.......you're correct.

J.Z. Herrenberg

#4136
October 23, 2008, 08:43:58 AM Last Edit: October 23, 2008, 09:58:56 AM by Jezetha
Zimmermann, Parasit/Paraklet? (Sorry, Sfz)
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

lukeottevanger

#4137
October 23, 2008, 10:44:48 AM
You found his site, then. Nice, isn't it? Paraklet - part of the opus Randonnée

lukeottevanger

#4138
October 24, 2008, 02:05:49 AM


First list, part one
and
First list, part two

Second list (one long part)

Third list (one long part)


New list:

Set by Luke
362 - Carter - Diversions  - (Steve)
363 - Cardew - Schooltime COmpositions - (Johan)
364 - Mozart - Impressario overture - (Mark)
365 - Dallapiccola - Il Prigioniero - (Guido)
366 - ? -
367 - Riley - In C - (Mark)
368 - Babbitt - ? - (Steve)
369 - Feldman - Intersection (which one?) - (Guido)
370 - Bryars - Jesus Blood Never Failed Me Yet - (Guido)
371 - Arnold - Hobson's Choice - (Chrone)
372 - Cage - 4'33" - (Mark)
373 - Guy - Inscape-Tableaux 5 - (Chrone)
374 - W Zimmermann - Paraklet - (Johan)
375 - N. Nabokov - Piano Sonata - (Maciek)
376 - Britten - A Ceremony of Carols - (Sforzando)
377 - Barth - from Giles Goat-Boy - (Maciek)
378 - Martinu - The Three Horsemen - (Maciek)
379 - Bowles - Tamanar - (Johan)
380 - ? -
381 - Bridge - Christmas Dance, Sir Roger de Coverley - (Johan)
382 - Enescu - Symphony no 2 - (Johan)
383 - ? -
384 - Stravinsky - Movements - (Sforzando)
385 - Sibelius - Finlandia - (Sforzando)
386 - ? -
387 - ? -
388 - ? -
389 - ? -
390 - ? -
391 - Strauss - Der Rosenkavalier - (Johan)
392 - ? -
393 - Harvey - Bhakti - (Guido)
394 - ? -
395 - Walton - Viola Concerto - (Guido)
396 - Tchaikovsky - Piano Trio - (Maciek)
397 - Liszt - Piano Concerto 1 - (Maciek)
398 - Varese - Ionisation - (Karl)
399 - Messiaen - Chronochromie - (Mark)
400 - Stravinsky - Three Pieces for string quartet - (Karl)

Set by Guido
53 - ? -
54 - ? -

Set by Maciek
91 - Vivaldi - The Four Seasons - (Karl)
92 - Dukas - L'apprenti sorcier - (Karl)

J.Z. Herrenberg

#4139
October 24, 2008, 12:36:30 PM
The Babbitt piece is called The old order changeth. It's to be found in The Carnegie Hall millennium piano book.
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato
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