Quiz: Mystery scores

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sul G

#4280
February 24, 2009, 05:29:12 AM
Not a piece I know, but as a wild guess - is 98 Khachaturian's cello sonata?

sul G

#4281
February 24, 2009, 01:49:58 PM Last Edit: February 24, 2009, 01:52:03 PM by sul G
Do you want some more clues, then? Bits in bold are clues I'd already given.

404 - just a small thing, this. One of its composer's more minor scores, but as he's a favourite of mine who I've set many times, it was bound to turn up here.

405 - I mock you. I ask you. Fen Buddhism?

406 - c.w. above

407 - truly visionary stuff! Again, the composer is one of those I've set a lot.

408 -  Birthplace of the Sark, and you could get there on the Snark. That's looks pretty cryptic, I guess. But it ought to be enough.

412/412a - I didn't think this would be hard. Luke set one of these before, and it looked similar. Don't forget that 412a is a homage, and it's fairly clear who to. Guido, in particular, is into these pieces.

413 - genus Dacelo, perhaps Or maybe Menura. I can keep going with these....  ;D

414 - genus Luscinia megarhynchos, certanily. The top line of the score is the big clue, but this is extremely famous. However, this particular example is not performing at 51° 30' 35 N, 0° 8' 45 W

417 - see 404. And 407.

418 - Not sure if you can read the places of composition. They are Cromer and Dartington, both in 1962, IIRC. Perhaps this, and the type of pieces here - say what you see - will be enough clue.

419 - really? You need clues?

420 - The composer is not one associated with the piano, though he is associated with Latin passion, like the dance he is attempting to recreate here.

421 - I mentioned the dedicatee of this piece not long ago on this thread. It's an early work, but interesting for showing the tiniest traces of later traits.

423 - I adore this piece, and the set it comes from. The composer also operated under a pseudonym very close to his real name, so I won't give it. And he was the teacher of one of the most important Iranian composers, apparently. More to the point, though, he was a tangential member of a much more famous school of composers, one of whom is remembered in this piece.

424 - Apparently this composer - who I've set before - once fell out of his chair laughing at this



425 - Really, if you know 414 you almost certainly know this. And as I've said, I once set a page from later in this same work.

Now, as for 426 onwards - I told you that I didn't want to spell it out for you, as everything you need is hiding there already. If you really need a push in the right direction, think along the lines of 423.

Maciek

#4282
February 24, 2009, 02:28:42 PM
Quote from: sul G on February 24, 2009, 03:05:16 AM
Sorry, I slept like a baby!

Yeah, yeah, sure, whatever you say, I believe you. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

Anyway, you're right about the piece being nothing like how most people ("we") perceive Chopin. But then I don't think Tchaikovsky even liked Chopin (or am I wrong?). So was he perhaps trying to prove something with that piece? If so, I don't think it quite worked out. I thought guessing it would be at least a bit more difficult precisely because of that.

Grieg, BTW, was a big influence on Karlowicz. Not that it has anything to do with anything but I thought someone might be interested to hear. (Though perhaps someone already knew that anyway?)

I guess Chopin is to a great extent inimitable (after all, that Moszkowski, as good as it is, clearly isn't Chopin; and neither is the Schumann someone once posted here).

Now no. 98. It is, of course, a cello sonata. The composer spent the greater chunk of his life in the USA where he slowly fell into total oblivion until he was quite recently rediscovered (mainly thanks to Hyperion).

I'm a bit surprised 96 and 97 are getting so little attention. I thought there was something interesting to be found in the music itself.

sul G

#4283
February 24, 2009, 03:22:25 PM
98 is clearly the cello sonata by Sigismond Stojowski as any fule kno.

Which means I will be able to grab a scrap of sleep, however disturbed it may be by the torments of numbers 96 and 97.  ;D

Rabbity Baxter

#4284
February 24, 2009, 03:37:23 PM
Quote from: sul G on February 10, 2009, 03:48:27 AM
(fifth time of trying....)

407, 408, 409, 410

410 Janacek Vozpominanje (1928)

Rabbity Baxter

#4285
February 24, 2009, 03:39:01 PM
Quote from: sul G on February 10, 2009, 03:53:26 AM
(It's only letting me post if I do it in a different window each time - that's what it seems like, anyway. How
odd)

414, 415, 416, 417



416 Medtner Sonata reminiscenza

Rabbity Baxter

#4286
February 24, 2009, 03:39:54 PM
Quote from: sul G on February 15, 2009, 02:44:23 AM
Second batch

431, 432, 433




432 Koechlin? Jean Hure?

sul G

#4287
February 24, 2009, 03:42:05 PM
Hi - welcome to the best thread on GMG!  ;)  The first two are both correct, but unfortunately they've already been guessed, I'm afraid. There's an updated list one page ago which shows you which are left, and also my clues a few posts above this one.

However, 432 is by one of the ones you've guessed - well done!

Rabbity Baxter

#4288
February 24, 2009, 03:42:52 PM
Quote from: sul G on February 10, 2009, 03:37:15 AM

What a fine idea!

I've just been browsing this thread and it looks like a lot of fun! And inhabited only by gentlemen and scholars, too. I also saw that you had someone called Luke Ottevanger on it once (who sound likes a fascinating and deeply attractive human being, I must say) whose musical tastes, strangely, seem to chime precisely with mine. He also had a big score collection - as do I. And a love of musical detective games - as do I. In fact, whilst I'm here, this is my vague stab in the dark at those of Luke's which were left over when he left so abruptly (the git could at least have stuck around and given you the answers). A vague stab in the dark, as I say. But 100% correct, also:

380 - Claude Vivier - Orion

383 - Boulez - Figures, Doubles, Prisms

386 - Johan Ludwig Bach - Gott ist unser Zuversicht. Obviously.

387 - JC Bach, Clavier concerto in B flat. He writes at the bottom 'I, I made this. Isn't that beautiful?' Sweet.

388 - Lefanu - String Quartet no 2

389 - Daniel Lesur - Elegie for two guitars

390 - John McCabe - Flute Concerto

392 - Part - Credo. Another brilliant clue ignored by you all ('I believe I already gave you a partial clue about this one.') That Luke was a genius!

394 - Varese - Ameriques. Cool technique here which (IIRC) he also uses in Arcana. He did tend to recycle his ideas somewhat.

So, as I was saying - Luke's musical interests, as exhibited here, seem like a very clone of mine. I hope he won't mind then - I'm sure he won't, in fact - if, in giving my own score samples, I pick up where he left off  - i.e. with no 401..........

401 and 402:
In honour of a recent birthday, let's do the Hokey Cokey - because, as the song says, 'that's what Saul about.....'




401 Mendelssohn Either fantasy in f sharp minor or the E major Sonata
402 Mendelssohn Fantasy on "The Last Rose of Summer"

But I think people have answered these already ...

sul G

#4289
February 24, 2009, 03:44:23 PM
Yes, as you say, they've been identified. Actually, all the ones you just got were identified by the same person, Sforzando.

Guido

#4290
February 24, 2009, 03:46:58 PM
412 and 412a must be from Jatekok - I didn't realise that they were so abstractly notated

423 I imagine is from Howell's Clavichord or Lambert's Clavichord. I have still not heard either. I'll try and figue out which.
Geologist.

The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away

Rabbity Baxter

#4291
February 24, 2009, 03:47:41 PM
That's funny, I must know the same music as he.
412 are possibly Kurtag Jatetok? Can't possibly identify which ones though. The rather clumsy piano writing surely suggests him...

Guido

#4292
February 24, 2009, 03:47:57 PM Last Edit: February 24, 2009, 03:49:38 PM by Guido
Is the John McCabe recording good? EDIT: I notice that it isn't on a clavichord (I vaguely remember having this discussion before...)
Geologist.

The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away

sul G

#4293
February 24, 2009, 03:49:44 PM
Quote from: Guido on February 24, 2009, 03:46:58 PM
412 and 412a must be from Jatekok - I didn't realise that they were so abstractly notated


Correct! And the piece being referred to in 412a is....?


Quote from: Guido on February 24, 2009, 03:46:58 PM
423 I imagine is from Howell's Clavichord or Lambert's Clavichord. I have still not heard either. I'll try and figue out which.

Blimey, no! This isn't playable on a clavichord - range far too big, and a clavichord can sustain like that. Did you mean another one? No matter, none of them are Howells.

sul G

#4294
February 24, 2009, 03:50:34 PM
Quote from: Guido on February 24, 2009, 03:47:57 PM
Is the John McCabe recording good? EDIT: I notice that it isn't on a clavichord (I vaguely remember having this discussion before...)

I haven't heard the McCabe as far as I remember. I have a clavichord recording, though a few numbers are left off.

sul G

#4295
February 24, 2009, 03:52:52 PM
Quote from: Rabbity Baxter on February 24, 2009, 03:47:41 PM
That's funny, I must know the same music as he.
412 are possibly Kurtag Jatetok? Can't possibly identify which ones though. The rather clumsy piano writing surely suggests him...

You might be able identify 412a if you get the reference. 412 is played by Kurtag on a DVD I have of him - spellbinding it is too.

The 'clumsy writing' is only because of the nature of the earlier books of Jatekok; elsewhere in the collection things are notated much more 'properly'!

Rabbity Baxter

#4296
February 24, 2009, 03:55:02 PM
Quote from: sul G on February 24, 2009, 03:52:52 PM
You might be able identify 412a if you get the reference. 412 is played by Kurtag on a DVD I have of him - spellbinding it is too.

The 'clumsy writing' is only because of the nature of the earlier books of Jatekok; elsewhere in the collection things are notated much more 'properly'!

Pleased to hear this about Kurtag
I must have seen only early books, and the sight of them put me off trying the pieces. So I should go and have a look at the more recent ones, clearly.

sul G

#4297
February 24, 2009, 03:56:14 PM
Guido (and everyone else) if you look at 423 carefully you will see precisely who is being remembered in the piece - it's very clear. And if you then refer back to the clue, you will find identifying the composer a little easier.

Not only that, but,, as the clues suggest, if you do this you will understand how those two later batches are linked. And you could well solve them all quite quickly. Two of the first batch, I should say, are really quite well known.

sul G

#4298
February 24, 2009, 03:58:36 PM
Quote from: Rabbity Baxter on February 24, 2009, 03:55:02 PM
Pleased to hear this about Kurtag
I must have seen only early books, and the sight of them put me off trying the pieces. So I should go and have a look at the more recent ones, clearly.

IMO - I think Guido feels the same way - the greatest piece in Jatekok is the Les Adieux in Janacek's style. I say that not as a Janacek maniac, but simply because this is the most extended example of a piece which works simply as music, not as a technical exercise or a Kurtagian 'message'. This piece is in book 6, by which book the didactic nature of the earlier pieces has been left behind.
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