Cato's Grammar Grumble

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Ken B

Quote from: karlhenning on January 23, 2015, 11:22:28 AM
Aye.  In inglese, if he wanted something more emphatic than (the admittedly rather neutral) several, I suppose he might have to go with a great many.
Untold. it is le mot juste. It means "not numbered or counted".
So: "451 masses, an untold number of which have been recorded."

Karl Henning

Nice.  I could tell I was being underverbal with a great many, but I was powerless . . . .
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Wendell_E

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Quote from: Ken B on January 23, 2015, 11:28:11 AM
Untold. it is le mot juste. It means "not numbered or counted".
So: "451 masses, an untold number of which have been recorded."

But the untold number could be just a few.  I'd go with "a whole bunch" or "a buttload".
"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." ― Mark Twain

Cato

Quote from: Wendell_E on January 24, 2015, 02:58:22 AM
But the untold number could be just a few.

Well, in a literal sense, yes.  But the dictionaries I consulted gave the definition as "vast" or "too many to be counted."  It was not defined as "unknown" in this sense.





"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)


Ken B

Quote from: Wendell_E on January 24, 2015, 02:58:22 AM
But the untold number could be just a few.  I'd go with "a whole bunch" or "a buttload".
No. The implication is a lot. That's the standard usage.

Quote from: Cato on January 24, 2015, 05:53:44 AM
Well, in a literal sense, yes.  But the dictionaries I consulted gave the definition as "vast" or "too many to be counted."  It was not defined as "unknown" in this sense.

As I said. ;D

However that is what we want here. He wrote a whole lot, 400 plus, of which many, no exact count, but not just a few have been recorded.

Ken B

Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on January 24, 2015, 09:30:02 AM
A set of Grumbleworthy mugs
http://www.theliterarygiftcompany.com/grammar-grumble-mugs---set-of-all-six-14140-p.asp

Must be imports. In 16 years Living here I have yet to meet an American who gets less/few. Or uses a fork correctly.  :laugh:


Karl Henning

Quote from: Ken B on January 24, 2015, 10:26:30 AM
Must be imports. In 16 years Living here I have yet to meet an American who gets less/few. Or uses a fork correctly.  :laugh:

Solution: Less forks.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Ken B

Quote from: karlhenning on January 24, 2015, 10:48:14 AM
Solution: Less forks.

Happens naturally, with age and a long marriage.

jochanaan

Quote from: karlhenning on January 23, 2015, 11:23:42 AM
Could be the Libra in me, but I do prefer mid-falutin'.
And I simply like fluting, and flouting, in any range. ;D
Imagination + discipline = creativity

Florestan

Quote from: jochanaan on January 27, 2015, 09:02:25 AM
And I simply like fluting, and flouting, in any range. ;D

Off topic: have you ever tried playing The Flute´s Garden of Delights?
There is no theory. You have only to listen. Pleasure is the law. — Claude Debussy

jochanaan

Quote from: Florestan on January 27, 2015, 11:05:11 AM
Off topic: have you ever tried playing The Flute´s Garden of Delights?
That's one I hadn't heard of--apparently a criminal omission in one who loves early music.  I'll have to look into it!
Imagination + discipline = creativity

kishnevi

The manager of the fine jewelry department went to a corporate sponsored training yesterday.  On the store management schedule this was noted as
                                            FINE JEW TRAINING

There are things at which one can only laugh.....

Cato

Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on January 28, 2015, 09:19:27 AM
The manager of the fine jewelry department went to a corporate sponsored training yesterday.  On the store management schedule this was noted as
                                            FINE JEW TRAINING

There are things at which one can only laugh.....

Oy! Some people are such mumsers!  0:)
"Meet Miss Ruth Sherwood, from Columbus, Ohio, the Middle of the Universe!"

- Brian Aherne introducing Rosalind Russell in  My Sister Eileen (1942)

Florestan

Quote from: Jeffrey Smith on January 28, 2015, 09:19:27 AM
The manager of the fine jewelry department went to a corporate sponsored training yesterday.  On the store management schedule this was noted as
                                            FINE JEW TRAINING

There are things at which one can only laugh.....

Teach Jews not to [insert stereotype].   :D
There is no theory. You have only to listen. Pleasure is the law. — Claude Debussy

Karl Henning

This little Jew of mine,
I'm gonna train him fine . . . .
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Ken B

 :o

Some days I don't know who is more terrifying: the members here I usually disagree with, or the ones I usually agree with!

>:D :laugh:

jochanaan

Quote from: Ken B on January 29, 2015, 05:32:22 AM
:o

Some days I don't know who is more terrifying: the members here I usually disagree with, or the ones I usually agree with!

>:D :laugh:
Satire is such a terrifying art form. :o ;D :laugh:
Imagination + discipline = creativity

Karl Henning

Well, at least the first bullet point makes sense with must be . . . .
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot