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karlhenning

#20
July 03, 2009, 06:40:19 PM
(* yawn *)

Homo Aestheticus

#21
July 03, 2009, 06:42:58 PM
"Organized religion is the universal neurosis of an adolescent mankind"

---Freud

DavidW

#23
July 03, 2009, 07:33:55 PM
Quote from: The Unrepentant Pelleastrian on July 03, 2009, 06:33:01 PM
What's wrong with asking fully grown adults how they come to know anything whatsoever about this supposed supernatural being and his nature and characteristics ?

I don't think that he objects to that.  I think that he objects to Maher smirking as they answer, he objects to Maher cutting them off, he objects to Maher strawmanning their arguments and mocking them AFTER THE INTERVIEW, when they're not there to defend themselves.

I didn't take it seriously, as I said I think he's just a comedian, but I'm not going to pretend that there is nothing offensive about Religulous.

DavidW

#25
July 03, 2009, 10:43:38 PM
Quote from: Brian on July 03, 2009, 09:49:53 PM
Your determination in putting together that list of threads is really incredible. I don't think I would have had the stomach to search for more than one of them.

He's probably posted in all of those threads too! :D  Gritting his teeth all the way, Karl wonders why why he begins every morning with a splitting migraine... ;D

david johnson

#26
July 04, 2009, 02:53:07 AM
Quote from: The Unrepentant Pelleastrian on July 03, 2009, 06:33:01 PM
Bill Maher, mediocre and bigoted ?

No.

And remember that he's an agnostic.

What's wrong with asking fully grown adults how they come to know anything whatsoever about this supposed supernatural being and his nature and characteristics ?



yep, he's as big a bigot as a klansman.  there is no problem with those questions, the problem is the density of several inquirer's brains.  they DON'T want the answer, rather they want to make fun of the answers they receive.

dj

karlhenning

#27
July 04, 2009, 04:38:06 AM
Quote from: DavidW on July 03, 2009, 10:43:38 PM
He's probably posted in all of those threads too! :D  Gritting his teeth all the way, Karl wonders why why he begins every morning with a splitting migraine... ;D

Nay, mon ami, my mind and heart are clear, and 'tis a beautiful day!  :)

Quote from: david johnson on July 04, 2009, 02:53:07 AM
they DON'T want the answer, rather they want to make fun of the answers they receive.

Hmm . . . reminds me (not coincidentally) of the OP!  ;D 8) 0:)

DavidRoss

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July 17, 2009, 12:16:41 PM Last Edit: July 17, 2009, 12:34:05 PM by DavidRoss
Quote from: k a rl h e nn i ng on July 17, 2009, 07:59:21 AM
For anyone who just cannot help scratching the itch to rail against religion, there are all these threads for your execration needs:

Yes, but while they're at it they should say a very long and deep prayer of thanks for the religion that has created the conditions making everything they take for granted possible.  You don't have to be a Christian to recognize that in spite of its flaws Christianity has produced more blessings than any other institution in the whole of human history.  However, you do have to be an idiot or willfully ignorant not to recognize this glaringly obvious fact.  (Is that redundant, since anyone who knowingly chooses to be ignorant is by definition an idiot, even if his IQ is greater than 80?) 
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

Homo Aestheticus

#30
July 17, 2009, 05:34:56 PM
Quote from: DavidRoss on July 17, 2009, 12:16:41 PMYou don't have to be a Christian to recognize that in spite of its flaws Christianity has produced more blessings than any other institution in the whole of human history.

Do you really believe that ?

I'd say that the most good that has been done for humanity has been secular, not religious. Obviously churches can help by feeding the hungry and providing shelter to the homeless and other very good things.

But compare what Christianity has done to what the IMF has done, (i.e., billions of dollars a year building roads and hospitals and schools and electrical grids)... Also, consider how many people worldwide have healthcare, not because of the religious but because their fellow citizens have legislated that they have it.

How is it that the religious can simply discount all of these things ?

Sorry but the fact of the matter is that  infrastructure  is what makes a better life possible and infrastructure is a secular enterprise.

DavidW

#31
July 17, 2009, 05:38:54 PM
This reminds me of Monty Python's what have the Romans ever done for us? :D

DavidRoss

#32
July 17, 2009, 06:16:19 PM
Quote from: The Unrepentant Pelleastrian on July 17, 2009, 05:34:56 PM
Do you really believe that ?

I'd say that the most good that has been done for humanity has been secular, not religious. Obviously churches can help by feeding the hungry and providing shelter to the homeless and other very good things.

But compare what Christianity has done to what the IMF has done, (i.e., billions of dollars a year building roads and hospitals and schools and electrical grids)... Also, consider how many people worldwide have healthcare, not because of the religious but because their fellow citizens have legislated that they have it.

How is it that the religious can simply discount all of these things ?

Sorry but the fact of the matter is that  infrastructure  is what makes a better life possible and infrastructure is a secular enterprise.

Please forgive the outburst that's about to follow, but I'm really losing patience with you ignorant bigots who are too dumb to recognize that none of that good stuff would exist if not for the conditions created by Christianity that enabled EVERY SINGLE BLESSING OF THE MODERN WORLD to come about.  The brotherhood of man?  That's not a secular idea, it's Christ's teaching!  Caring for those less well off instead of exploiting them?  That's not a secular idea, it's Christ's teaching!  Equal rights for women?  Not a secular idea, laddie, but Christ's teaching!  The entire social, economic, and technological "infrastructure" of contemporary civilization that you worship is the fu*king fruit of Christianity, you poor, ignorant, true believer in secular salvation!

Good grief, Eric--you're not a complete moron, for Chrissake!  How can you be so dense--or so effing ignorant of history--not to understand that Christianity is the critical factor that gave birth to the social, intellectual, and economic conditions that contemporary Western civilization is built on?

Get a @$#%#@%%&# clue!
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

Joe_Campbell

#33
July 17, 2009, 07:53:13 PM
Woah.

Brian

#34
July 17, 2009, 08:30:32 PM
With the disclaimer that I try to speak in this post as a friend of David's rather than as a non-Christian reader ... that was a little edgy.

DavidW

#35
July 17, 2009, 08:39:28 PM
Meh I think Eric was asking for it.  He's taken as much or worse over years (look back on cmg with Mel, Eric and others and you'll something out of control!), it's no skin off his nose.  Provoking a response is a victory for him, he's probably chuckling about it right now!

DavidRoss

#36
July 17, 2009, 09:40:46 PM
Note that I am not in the least religious and have no illusions about the shortcomings of much religious belief and many religious institutions--but neither am I so stupid or ignorant of history not to recognize that religions in general and Christianity in particular have been overwhelmingly greater forces for good than for evil in the world...and that just about every decent, redeeming characteristic of human societies stems from the religions at their moral centers.

You would have to be a complete nitwit not to recognize that, and a complete asshole not to give religions their due.  Bill Maher, obviously, is both.  And Eric has demonstrated time and again that he's equally deficient in intellectual acumen and integrity.  And he's a boor as well, for he's constantly going out of his way to insult the beliefs of people on this site who are religious.  But his attacks reveal only the shameful character of the pathetic loser who doesn't recognize that, instead of demonstrating his imagined moral superiority, they only betray his viciously small-minded bigotry.

Peace out.  ;D
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

Elgarian

#37
July 18, 2009, 12:07:12 AM Last Edit: July 18, 2009, 12:25:54 AM by Elgarian
Quote from: DavidRoss on July 17, 2009, 09:40:46 PM
'I ... have no illusions about the shortcomings of much religious belief and many religious institutions--but neither am I so stupid or ignorant of history not to recognize that religions in general and Christianity in particular have been overwhelmingly greater forces for good than for evil in the world...and that just about every decent, redeeming characteristic of human societies stems from the religions at their moral centers.

Edgy or not, I can sign up to this manifesto. Regardless of the personal neuroses that govern our attitudes to particular examples of religious institutions, or the political machinations that often supplant the spiritual ideal, this is a matter of cultural history rather than one of belief.

david johnson

#38
July 18, 2009, 12:26:37 AM
yep.

DavidRoss

#39
July 18, 2009, 06:17:57 AM
Quote from: Brian on July 17, 2009, 08:30:32 PM
With the disclaimer that I try to speak in this post as a friend of David's rather than as a non-Christian reader ... that was a little edgy.

Sorry, Brian, I meant to acknowledge this post earlier and to thank you for your friendship.  I feel the same.  Hugs, dude!

Quote from: DavidW on July 17, 2009, 08:39:28 PM
Meh I think Eric was asking for it.  He's taken as much or worse over years (look back on cmg with Mel, Eric and others and you'll something out of control!), it's no skin off his nose.  Provoking a response is a victory for him, he's probably chuckling about it right now!

Could be, Dave, though I think a real victory for him would require pissing someone off--especially one of the religious members he tries to offend.  But his posts are too pathetically puerile to be offensive.  They're just boring, boring, boring!  Judging from Karl's responses, I doubt I'm the only one here who's bored to tears with Eric's constant restatement of the same two or three vapid themes.  That's what's excruciating:  unlike some of the other wackos here, Eric's not even slightly entertaining, just so predictably lame that everyone's eyes roll back in our heads whenever we see one of his posts.

Zzzzzzzzz....

"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher
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