The Two Doctrines I Believe In

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Homo Aestheticus

Here are some of my favorite terms: 

Agnosticism: the doctrine that certainty about any ultimate reality or supernatural being is unattainable and that only perceptual phenomena are objects of exact knowledge. 

(combined with) 

Existentialism: a philosophy that emphasizes the uniqueness and isolation of the individual experience in an indifferent universe, regards human existence as unexplainable, and stresses freedom of choice and responsibility for the consequences of one's acts....(without any certain knowledge of what is right or wrong) 

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How can any sensible person not subscribe to these doctrines ? 

Isn't this what we see in the world ?

(For the record: I was raised as a Catholic but never really believed in its tenets)

XB-70 Valkyrie

I like what Alan Watts said about Buddhists: "Buddhists don't believe in anything, and not only do they not believe in anything, they don't believe in not believing in anything."

If you really dislike Bach you keep quiet about it! - Andras Schiff

Joe_Campbell

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71 dB

Quote from: The Ardent Pelleastre on September 25, 2008, 04:00:12 PM
How can any sensible person not subscribe to these doctrines ? 

Lack of open-mindedness
Brainwashing
Lack of intellectualism in schools
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Crossfeeders reduce spatial distortion and make the sound more natural
and less tiresome in headphone listening.

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XB-70 Valkyrie

A man's gotta believe in sumthin'! I believe I'll have another beer! (uuuurrrrrrrrppp!)
If you really dislike Bach you keep quiet about it! - Andras Schiff

Florestan

Quote from: The Ardent Pelleastre on September 25, 2008, 04:00:12 PM
How can any sensible person not subscribe to these doctrines ? 

Because both of them are self-contradictory.

If we can't have any certainties, then there is no certainty that there are no certainties.

Without any certain knowledge of what is right or wrong there is no freedom of choice at all, since there is nothing to choose between in the first place and also there is no responsibility for one's own acts since the consequences of those acts cannot be evaluated.

How can any sensible person subscribe to these doctrines?
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy

The new erato

The only doctrine I believe in is; I don't believe in doctrines.

val

QuoteThe Ardent Pelleastre
Here are some of my favorite terms: 

Agnosticism: the doctrine that certainty about any ultimate reality or supernatural being is unattainable and that only perceptual phenomena are objects of exact knowledge. 

I don't believe in exact knowledge. But I am sure that I can only have a certain degree of knowledge regarding the perceptual phenomena. In special, I can only experience the existence of perceptual phenomena, because I am one of those phenomena.
This is the only reality I believe.



karlhenning

Quote from: The Ardent Pelleastre on September 25, 2008, 04:00:12 PM
How can any sensible person not subscribe to these doctrines ? 

There goes Eric again.  How can you think otherwise than I do, and yet be a sensible person?

karlhenning

Quote from: 71 dB on September 25, 2008, 09:21:36 PM
Lack of open-mindedness
Brainwashing
Lack of intellectualism in schools

Well, and there goes Poju again!

Bulldog

I believe in my family, Bach and NFL football.

Kullervo

Quote from: XB-70 Valkyrie on September 25, 2008, 10:03:10 PM
A man's gotta believe in sumthin'! I believe I'll have another beer! (uuuurrrrrrrrppp!)

How can any sensible person not believe in this? :D

karlhenning

Well, he switched senses of the verb there.

No harm done.

Joe_Campbell

Quote from: Bulldog on September 26, 2008, 08:14:53 AM
I believe in my family, Bach and NFL football.
NFL is so much better than CFL. I can easily understand why CFL is often referred to as NFL's training camp!

Bulldog

Quote from: JCampbell on September 26, 2008, 01:19:27 PM
NFL is so much better than CFL. I can easily understand why CFL is often referred to as NFL's training camp!

What I've noticed over the decades is that football players who can't cut it in the NFL go to the CFL or various spots in Europe. 

Joe_Campbell

Quote from: Bulldog on September 26, 2008, 01:21:55 PM
What I've noticed over the decades is that football players who can't cut it in the NFL go to the CFL or various spots in Europe. 
About the only thing that makes CFL more exciting is the elimination of one of the downs. It makes plays count for a bit more when a team only has effectively two downs to work with.

Bulldog

Quote from: JCampbell on September 26, 2008, 01:26:32 PM
About the only thing that makes CFL more exciting is the elimination of one of the downs. It makes plays count for a bit more when a team only has effectively two downs to work with.

And there's that very wide football field that's a big plus for speedsters.

Homo Aestheticus

Quote from: JCampbell on September 26, 2008, 01:19:27 PM
NFL is so much better than CFL. I can easily understand why CFL is often referred to as NFL's training camp!

Campbell and Don,

I'd appreciate it if you both took your conversation elsewhere; I absolutely cannot stand sports or sports discussion.

Joe_Campbell

Quote from: The Ardent Pelleastre on September 26, 2008, 04:19:33 PM
I'd appreciate it if you both took your conversation elsewhere; I absolutely cannot stand sports or sports discussion.
Really? Why is that? ;)

Florestan

Quote from: JCampbell on September 26, 2008, 05:16:19 PM
Really? Why is that? ;)

Might it be related to the two doctrines he believes in?
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part." - Claude Debussy