Islamic-Christian misogyny & sexual repression

[karlhenning]

It's possible to make a case for the latter part of this . . .

[Sean]

Why DavidW should find the generosity to heap the appropriate praise on Eric's words I can't exactly say, but sexual repression as a manifestation of artistic decline is a more uncertain question. Sex is reality whereas art isn't, it's just a reflection of it, an excuse for life, very artful though it may be: it might seem that the horrors and emptiness of postmodernism might lead to music's revival but the problems evidently go much deeper...

[The new erato]

Sex is reality whereas art isn't, it's just a reflection of it, an excuse for life, very artful though it may be:

So is posting interminably on the Internet I'm afraid........

[karlhenning]

Sex is reality whereas art isn't

False dichotomy, grasshopper.  Back to washing the crockery for you.

[Elgarian]

Sex is reality whereas art isn't, it's just a reflection of it, an excuse for life

I've been sitting here looking at this, wondering whether to just walk away from such an absurd statement; and that indeed would be the sensible thing to do from my own point of view, except for the fact that to some passing stranger it may appear to mean something, when actually it doesn't. For example, it demonstrates no understanding of art at all. It's the kind of thing someone might say who had never had a real engagement with art, and who had no notion of its influence on the depth and richness of our perceptions of reality - as if there were some absolute and 'correct' means of knowing reality to compare it with, rather than the ever widening, ever-deepening personal exploration of our relations with the world, in which art (and indeed, sex) can play a crucial role.

But I won't press the point; I'll go and evade 'real life' with some art instead.

[Sean]

Elg, I take your evasive point but don't agree with it- in an ideal world we wouldn't need art, even Wagner said something similar.

[karlhenning]

in an ideal world we wouldn't need art

Empty airy-fairy assertion.

even Wagner said something similar.

So? It remains an empty a.-f. assertion.

[DavidRoss]

I've been sitting here looking at this, wondering whether to just walk away from such an absurd statement; and that indeed would be the sensible thing to do from my own point of view, except for the fact that to some passing stranger it may appear to mean something, when actually it doesn't. For example, it demonstrates no understanding of art at all. It's the kind of thing someone might say who had never had a real engagement with art, and who had no notion of its influence on the depth and richness of our perceptions of reality - as if there were some absolute and 'correct' means of knowing reality to compare it with, rather than the ever widening, ever-deepening personal exploration of our relations with the world, in which art (and indeed, sex) can play a crucial role.

But I won't press the point; I'll go and evade 'real life' with some art instead.

You may still be new enough not to have had much contact with Sean yet...not that it should take much contact to recognize that, as Gertrude Stein said about Oakland, there is no there there. 

This clown brags about sex tourism exploiting teenaged prostitutes in Thailand as if that makes him some sort of sophisticated and enlightened man of the world, and then he is so befuddled as to imagine that he has any standing to lecture anyone about misogyny and sexual repression.  Fruitcakes abound.  Fortunately, most of them are relatively harmless, except to themselves.  This one, however, if his tales can be even partially believed, is a blight on the world--minor, thank God, but a blight all the same.

[Elgarian]

You may still be new enough not to have had much contact with Sean yet...not that it should take much contact to recognize that, as Gertrude Stein said about Oakland, there is no there there.  

Thanks David - I saw enough in the 9/11 thread, actually. I wasn't opening a dialogue, so much as planting a marker.

[Sean]

DavidRoss is another nice person basically, but who's just completely out of his depth- he knows nothing, means nothing and has the only regret in life that the occasional person like me he comes across exists.

[Sean]

Was that another post deleted? GMG is getting worse... Oh dear.

[Sean]

This clown brags about sex tourism exploiting teenaged prostitutes in Thailand as if that makes him some sort of sophisticated and enlightened man of the world, and then he is so befuddled as to imagine that he has any standing to lecture anyone about misogyny and sexual repression.  Fruitcakes abound.  Fortunately, most of them are relatively harmless, except to themselves.  This one, however, if his tales can be even partially believed, is a blight on the world--minor, thank God, but a blight all the same.

He obviously wishes he had the chance to get over there, but has to vent his dismay instead. I'm not sure if I've had a teenager though.

[The new erato]

He obviously wishes he had the chance to get over there, but has to vent his dismay instead. I'm not sure if I've had a teenager though.

No. Actually I think he is a decent human being.

[karlhenning]

No. Actually I think he is a decent human being.

Hear, hear.  A bit strange of Sean, to cast unwarranted aspersions like that.

[karlhenning]

No, not strange. What's the word I want? Characteristic.

[knight66]

Sean,

I cannot be bothered digging through the ancient mire; but I recall that teens were very much on the menu over an extended period. (Unless they were preteens.) M would hold your toes to the fire on a regular basis because of your explicit claims, descriptions and photographs.

Give the topic a rest, eternal rest as far as this site is concerned. It is not some kind of receptacle into which you can pour your excess bodily fluids.

Probably getting near time for you to pop back to your lonely planet for a whiles.

Knight

[greg]

Perhaps Sean's insistence that Western music is (supposedly) in irreversible decline, is a mental condition parallel to his repressed sexuality?

I like those "parallel to" phrases he uses... interesting, yes, but most likely non-related, and not a good way to go forward and draw new conclusions.

[drogulus]

Elg, I take your evasive point but don't agree with it- in an ideal world we wouldn't need art, even Wagner said something similar.

    Even Wagner? Anyway, what does it matter what we'd need in an ideal world? I've noticed that idealists (philosophically speaking) do this all the time: In an ideal world things are like this, so things are like this even if they aren't.

    Everybody get in touch with the Absolute before it's too late! It looks logical to me. After all, you never know when the Absolute will rear up and bite you. I mean really you never never know!  

      Oh, and I just discovered that when you're in the Absolute for good there is either constant sex or none. It's been confirmed. What does that mean for us here on Earth? I'm sure it's something momentous.

[Florestan]

I'm deeper than the oceans and higher than the mountains, but the present forum is obviously beneath me.

Not at all. You are a poor self-deluded chap who mistakes bombastic nonsense for intellectual profundity.

[Sean]

Mike

I cannot be bothered digging through the ancient mire; but I recall that teens were very much on the menu over an extended period. (Unless they were preteens.) M would hold your toes to the fire on a regular basis because of your explicit claims, descriptions and photographs.

All I did was post a photo of a 21 year old who looked a bit young with the lighting. From that moment M forever launched a massive smear campaign that went on for months and years despite endless rejoinders that I have absolutely no interest in anyone underage, in fact I don't even like younger people at all. If I did, I'd say. It's kind-of interesting to see how his efforts were successful and how people can be persuaded and don't think for themselves.

This was the photo



Her again in differnt light