Sergei Rachmaninov (1873-1943)

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Maestro267

#620
March 26, 2024, 09:26:00 AM
No. 1 is absolutely incredible!

Madiel

#621
March 26, 2024, 01:22:10 PM
No.1 is possibly my favourite of the large scale works. Which makes the mess of the premiere all the more tragic.
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Lisztianwagner

#622
March 26, 2024, 02:25:58 PM
Agreed, No.1 is certainly my favourite of the symphonies and one of Rachmaninov's large scale works I love most too, really fiery, mesmerizing and expressively dramatic; I've always found it more suggestive and original than No.2, which seems more influenced by Tchaikovsky's music.
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Cato

#623
March 26, 2024, 02:56:47 PM
One of my best memories is visiting a Music store, when I was a teenager in high school, and finding both Rachmaninov's Symphony #1 in full score and the Deryk Cooke edition of Mahler's Symphony #10, also in full score, for a very cheap price ($3.00 or so, which was more than two hours of work (typical wage for teenagers was $1.40 an hour), but I was willing to pay it!

Yes, The First Symphony of The Rach was and will remain an all-around fave!
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lordlance

#624
January 20, 2025, 02:20:35 PM
A real fine performance of the First even if I think I still am in search of a performance that can truly perform the finale's coda with the sense of overwhelming doom it needs -

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Cato

#625
January 20, 2025, 02:59:24 PM
Quote from: lordlance on January 20, 2025, 02:20:35 PMA real fine performance of the First even if I think I still am in search of a performance that can truly perform the finale's coda with the sense of overwhelming doom it needs -




Two words to answer your request: Vladimir Ashkenazy!

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relm1

#626
January 21, 2025, 05:44:41 AM
Quote from: lordlance on January 20, 2025, 02:20:35 PMA real fine performance of the First even if I think I still am in search of a performance that can truly perform the finale's coda with the sense of overwhelming doom it needs -



I think Yannick Nezet-Seguin/The Philadelphia Orchestra No. 1 should satisfy you.  A very mighty coda.

Roasted Swan

#627
January 21, 2025, 10:01:26 AM
Quote from: relm1 on January 21, 2025, 05:44:41 AMI think Yannick Nezet-Seguin/The Philadelphia Orchestra No. 1 should satisfy you.  A very mighty coda.

I hadn't heard the Nezet-Seguin so I dipped into Spotify.  Only the last movement - can't say it blew me away.  Very well played, big full sound but not really that exciting - all a bit precise and well mannered.  Also, after the big tam-tam crash Nezet-Seguin comes in far to soon.  That should really be allowed to resonate away more.  Nobdy has matched the old analogue Svetlanov/ USSR SO for me - a true ride into the abyss!

Lisztianwagner

#628
January 21, 2025, 10:21:12 AM
Quote from: Cato on January 20, 2025, 02:59:24 PMTwo words to answer your request: Vladimir Ashkenazy!


I totally agree, that is an absolutely impressive recording!
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lordlance

#629
January 21, 2025, 01:10:48 PM
Quote from: Cato on January 20, 2025, 02:59:24 PMTwo words to answer your request: Vladimir Ashkenazy!

Very well. Noted, sir. I'm aware of his cycle being considered reference since it came out. I've heard his Philharmonia Orchestra remake I believe. 
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LKB

#630
January 21, 2025, 09:30:49 PM
Quote from: Cato on January 20, 2025, 02:59:24 PMTwo words to answer your request: Vladimir Ashkenazy!


I agree. Some of the best playing I've heard from the RCO ( Haitink had brought them to their peak by then ), Ashkenazy conducts with both assurance and ( particularly in the finale's coda ) daring, and Decca used the Concertgebouw to its fullest advantage.

One of the best recordings not only of R1, but from the 1980's period.
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vandermolen

#631
January 22, 2025, 02:38:13 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on July 10, 2022, 04:08:41 PMA work that has enthralled me for long has been Three Russian Songs for chorus and orchestra, Op. 41. Incredibly beautiful and very Russian indeed. The first one is with male choir, the 2nd one with female choir and the last one contains all the forces. It's not as widely recorded as his other music with orchestra, and it doesn't exceed a quarter of an hour in length.
I've always liked that work.
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Cato

#632
January 22, 2025, 07:28:47 AM
Quote from: Symphonic Addict on July 10, 2022, 04:08:41 PMA work that has enthralled me for long has been Three Russian Songs for chorus and orchestra, Op. 41. Incredibly beautiful and very Russian indeed. The first one is with male choir, the 2nd one with female choir and the last one contains all the forces. It's not as widely recorded as his other music with orchestra, and it doesn't exceed a quarter of an hour in length.





Quote from: vandermolen on January 22, 2025, 02:38:13 AMI've always liked that work.



Yes again!  I only wish it were "Six" or "Nine" Russian Songs!   8)

Oddly, the Polyansky recording dominates YouTube: I cannot find the Melodiya recording from the 1960's (or early 1970's). which I used to own.


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Cato

#633
January 22, 2025, 07:52:15 AM
Quote from: Cato on January 22, 2025, 07:28:47 AMYes again!  I only wish it were "Six" or "Nine" Russian Songs!  8)

Oddly, the Polyansky recording dominates YouTube: I cannot find the Melodiya recording from the 1960's (or early 1970's). which I used to own.





Found it with some difficulty!  Svetlanov conducting!

Spread over 3 screens!







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ChamberNut

#634
January 22, 2025, 08:13:39 AM
Didn't someone describe coda to Symphony No. 1 as akin to an ocean liner sinking into the sea?

It certainly is an ominous and dramatic coda. Love it!
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Roasted Swan

#635
January 22, 2025, 12:06:04 PM
Quote from: Franco_Manitobain on January 22, 2025, 08:13:39 AMDidn't someone describe coda to Symphony No. 1 as akin to an ocean liner sinking into the sea?

It certainly is an ominous and dramatic coda. Love it!

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lordlance

#636
April 23, 2025, 10:40:11 AM
Help needed fellas -

I can't find the recording year for the Third Symphony on the Macelaru Rachmaninoff set. I can only see recording dates as 2021-22 for the entire set but the year isn't specified for the Third Symphony specifically. Can anyone find it? Googling doesn't seem to give me any results.
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Madiel

#637
April 23, 2025, 02:57:44 PM
Quote from: lordlance on April 23, 2025, 10:40:11 AMHelp needed fellas -

I can't find the recording year for the Third Symphony on the Macelaru Rachmaninoff set. I can only see recording dates as 2021-22 for the entire set but the year isn't specified for the Third Symphony specifically. Can anyone find it? Googling doesn't seem to give me any results.

If the full set is the only way it was released, that's the only information you're going to get.
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Cato

#638
April 23, 2025, 03:43:37 PM
Quote from: lordlance on April 23, 2025, 10:40:11 AMHelp needed fellas -

I can't find the recording year for the Third Symphony on the Macelaru Rachmaninoff set. I can only see recording dates as 2021-22 for the entire set but the year isn't specified for the Third Symphony specifically. Can anyone find it? Googling doesn't seem to give me any results.


On YouTube, there is a recording of a televised concert with the WDR Symphony playing the Third Symphony in October 2023.

Possibly the recording was made around the same time as the televised concert.


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#639
April 23, 2025, 06:00:46 PM
Quote from: ChamberNut on January 22, 2025, 08:13:39 AMDidn't someone describe coda to Symphony No. 1 as akin to an ocean liner sinking into the sea?

It certainly is an ominous and dramatic coda. Love it!

Now, I want to revisit Rachmaninov's 1st! To be fair, I haven't listened to this symphony in ages or so it seems.

Now I just need to figure out what performance of it I want to listen to: Rozhdestvensky, Ashkenazy, Ormandy, Svetlanov or Previn.
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