Amazing shortcomings in your collection

[Obradovic]

- From Boulez I have only In memoriam Bruno Maderna-as a filler of Bruckner's 8th from Michael Gielen 
- Terry Riley's In C 
- None of Lenny's Mahler-Sony cycle 
- Horenstein's Mahler 3rd 
- Barbirolli's Mahler 5th 

[ComposerOfAvantGarde]

I have an excellent memory (even if I am over 50).  So the very well known symphonies are "sort of stored there" and I have no need for recordings.  This is true of Beethoven symphonies as well.

This is quite interesting! I can certainly see where you are coming from here, but I would also assume that formulaic harmonic functions of the common practice era would add to the 'predictability' of this music.

However, because I rarely listen to Beethoven's symphonies, the odd occasion I do I am often thrilled due it not sounding 'overplayed'.

[ComposerOfAvantGarde]

- From Boulez I have only In memoriam Bruno Maderna-as a filler of Bruckner's 8th from Michael Gielen 
- Terry Riley's In C 
- None of Lenny's Mahler-Sony cycle 
- Horenstein's Mahler 3rd 
- Barbirolli's Mahler 5th 

OK you are CRIMINALLY lacking boulez!

[Obradovic]

OK you are CRIMINALLY lacking boulez!

Hmmmm... yes... perhaps...
and from Penderecki I have only his Violin Concerto No.2 

[ComposerOfAvantGarde]

Hmmmm... yes... perhaps...
and from Penderecki I have only his Violin Concerto No.2 

Ok I don't have any Penderecki at all so what can I say.....

[Obradovic]

Ι think we should have given him (Penderecki) a chance but when shopping you somehow find other priorities i.e. to buy a 14th Eroica just to move away from the ominous #13...

[71 dB]

Ok I don't have any Penderecki at all so what can I say.....

I don't have either.

[Mirror Image]

I don't believe I have any shortcomings in my collection, because I've always bought music that I gravitated towards and would, hopefully, enjoy time and time again.

[Monsieur Croche]

Sir Edward Elgar.

An absence of Elgar from your collection is not a shortcoming.  It is good taste ;-)

In a thread with this OP, I probably have the most amazing shortcoming of all:  I don't have 'a collection.'


Best regards.

[Jo498]

It sounds clumsy and too different in English but in German I often say that I do not have a collection (Sammlung) but an accumulation (Ansammlung). A lot of things have accumulated, only a fraction was collected...

[Ken B]

An absence of Elgar from your collection is not a shortcoming.  It is good taste ;-)

In a thread with this OP, I probably have the most amazing shortcoming of all:  I don't have 'a collection.'


Best regards.

I was going to list Elgar's symphonies as a shortcoming in mine. I have recordings of each. 

[71 dB]

An absence of Elgar from your collection is not a shortcoming.  It is good taste ;-)

My taste must then be really bad! 

[Monsieur Croche]

My taste must then be really bad! 

Within a classical music community, each and every fan has great taste and terrible taste in music.

The Great taste barometer is that you like / love what the other person likes / loves:  the bad taste barometer is when you like / love what the other person dislikes / loathes... but of course 

Best regards.

[PerfectWagnerite]

In a thread with this OP, I probably have the most amazing shortcoming of all:  I don't have 'a collection.'

Very wise of you. Everything is free nowadays why should you have to pay and store cds, mp3s etc.

[vandermolen]

Robert Schumann
I have a lot by William Schuman however!
Not much Mendelssohn either.
Richard Strauss
Operas by Mozart (none)
Puccini
Rossini

[Martin Lind]

Orffs Carmina Burana

I like the piece but never got a CD.

[North Star]

A recording of Beethoven's Missa Solemnis 

[Dancing Divertimentian]

A recording of Beethoven's Missa Solemnis 

Quite extraordinary (the recording, that is):



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[North Star]

Quite extraordinary (the recording, that is):

[Jochum]

And rather expensive & oop, too.
I also wonder if I'd prefer some of the HIP recordings - Herreweghe II, Harnoncourt? I don't know the piece (or recordings) well enough to judge, but I tend to gravitate towards HIP Beethoven. I'll have to investigate.

[Dancing Divertimentian]

And rather expensive & oop, too.

Yes, unfortunately.

I also wonder if I'd prefer some of the HIP recordings - Herreweghe II, Harnoncourt? I don't know the piece (or recordings) well enough to judge, but I tend to gravitate towards HIP Beethoven. I'll have to investigate.

Yeah Jochum isn't shy about giving the piece the "Berlioz" treatment.

But beyond that what works so well for Jochum is his ability to bring a sense of interconnectivity and fluidity to the work. Now that I think about it the structure and form of the work actually does resemble Berlioz in its sense of formlessness, keeping the music alive with a sense of forward motion and alternating side-ventures into the unexpected. The good stuff.

Not that Jochum is the only one to manage this. Solti in his Berlin Philharmonic recording is also quite accomplished this way, and he's less "Berliozian" in his size and grandeur. But the sense of ebb and flow is strong and very attractive.

As far as HIP, I do actually have Herreweghe I. I like it, without feeling it quite captures the necessary sense of "the whole", particularly in the slow reflective passages. It's in these passages where the work (to me) builds on its mysticism/spirituality. The singers and choir must meet the orchestra head-on and keep the mystery alive for these extended pensive passages. It's a relatively simple thing (to my ears) to keep the speedy passages sounding appropriately invigorating but once the pace sloooooows vigor must be met with reflection, and not just any reflection, but reflection that carries every bit of the house and farm and whatever acreage with it (plus all the barn animals, too). I miss that in Herreweghe. 

Anyway, I haven't heard any other HIP performances and wouldn't know if any of them manage all this but if you find one that does I'd be anxious to know about it!