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Re: Bach Six Partitas
« Reply #200 on: September 01, 2020, 07:42:20 PM »
What's so terribly wrong with Pascal Dubreuil?

And what’s so terribly wrong with Leonhardt’s first recording? Even more intense than Dubreuil and a different way of phrasing, less cantabile, which I prefer.
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Re: Bach Six Partitas
« Reply #201 on: September 01, 2020, 11:10:01 PM »
And what’s so terribly wrong with Leonhardt’s first recording? Even more intense than Dubreuil and a different way of phrasing, less cantabile, which I prefer.

Did I ever talk bad about Leonhardt? I don't think it was me.

His DHM recordings are fascinating in general, he plays in a very strict manner, not unlike his contemporary "sewing machine Baroque" musicians. But then, he articulates and adds almost imperceptible agogics just enough to put this sewing machine in the uncanny valley. Very difficult recordings, but also very rewarding.

I'm more familiar with his later Virgin partitas, which are also great. His playing has freed up considerably by then.

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Re: Bach Six Partitas
« Reply #202 on: September 01, 2020, 11:59:55 PM »

I'm more familiar with his later Virgin partitas, which are also great. His playing has freed up considerably by then.

I’m not sure what the difference between the two sets are in those terms, I find that the first has a sort of visionary passion which is special. But the second is also exceptional. And Dubreuil is also exceptional!
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Re: Bach Six Partitas
« Reply #203 on: September 02, 2020, 01:15:08 PM »
Here I post my preferences in Partitas. These preferences are rather old (~2012-14) but I think they are worth to publish here. From that time I've discovered many of new interpretations (some of them are new only for me and recorded before that noted timemark). But they are not so carefully and inspectfully listened as those in this good old list. Later I'll try to post some of new findings (of them are real beauties as I seen at first quick and partial listening).

Lists are ordered (top is more suitable for me).

Harpsichord

Masaaki Suzuki (2001)
Edward Parmentier (1991)
Nicholas Parle (2002)
Trevor Pinnock (1998-99)
Scott Ross (1988)
Christophe Rousset (1992)
Kenneth Gilbert (1984-85)
Pascal Dubreuil (2007)

Piano

Gianluca Luisi (2005-07)
Andras Schiff (1983)
Craig Sheppard (2005)
Sergey Schepkin (1995)
Angela Hewitt (1996-97)
Wolfgang Rubsam (1992)
Ramin Bahrami (2005)
Andras Schiff (2007)
Vladimir Ashkenazy (2009)
Irma Issakadze (2010)
Zhu Xiao-Mei (1999)

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I like the Schepkin disc too though I am not sure that’s the way Bach is “supposed” to be played. Anyway, it’s piano.
While I like both the two recordings of Pinnock, somehow I prefer the old recording and cover art.

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Re: Bach Six Partitas
« Reply #204 on: September 02, 2020, 02:00:57 PM »
After doing a bit of A/B contrast stuff I think I've decided on Leonhardt/Virgin over Pinnock/Hänssler. Both sound great but Leonhardt is a bit more to my taste. I don't have any Bach Partitas on harpsichord.

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Re: Bach Six Partitas
« Reply #205 on: September 04, 2020, 06:41:04 AM »
Piotr Anderszweski’s recordings are unique and interesting.

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Re: Bach Six Partitas
« Reply #206 on: September 04, 2020, 08:53:42 AM »
I have not re-listened to the live c minor but when I listened to Anderszewski's disc with 1,3,6 I was rather disappointed, in any case I didn't like it very much and certainly far less than I had remembered. I can still agree with "unique and (at least intermittently) interesting". ;)
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Re: Bach Six Partitas
« Reply #207 on: September 04, 2020, 05:57:59 PM »
I have not re-listened to the live c minor but when I listened to Anderszewski's disc with 1,3,6 I was rather disappointed, in any case I didn't like it very much and certainly far less than I had remembered. I can still agree with "unique and (at least intermittently) interesting". ;)

It is a different approach and different atmosphere.
I don’t know if it is a good, or successful, performance.
Anyway it’s an interesting recording.

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« Reply #208 on: September 04, 2020, 11:14:10 PM »
I'm trying to muster up all my love for this but I can't. Absolutely stunning instrument, the 1740 3-manual Hass harpsichord, but the playing is so extremely soulless and boring. I know Puyana is an "old master" (said ironically) but even his Pleyel monsterchord recordings are much better than this. So can someone tell me something to redeem this in my mind? I take no as an answer.



I guess this is a cautionary tale about harpsichord playing. There is no hiding, even (or especially) on a great old harpsichord like this one.

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Re: Bach Six Partitas
« Reply #209 on: September 04, 2020, 11:42:43 PM »
I have not re-listened to the live c minor but when I listened to Anderszewski's disc with 1,3,6 I was rather disappointed, in any case I didn't like it very much and certainly far less than I had remembered. I can still agree with "unique and (at least intermittently) interesting". ;)

When I heard him in concert it was clear that this artist’s core skill is in producing sounds from a modern piano. The colours and the contrast of registers, the weight of the sounds, especially the strong and sweet bass notes that he can coax out of a Steinway, are distinctive and impressive. His art is somehow about the physicality of piano sound.


All that is pretty well lost on that recording of Bach partitas, it may never have been there. So we’re left with something unique and intermittently interesting, as you say.


He may be a one trick pony - the trick being The Diabelli Variations. The rest - Szymanowsky, Mozart, Bach and maybe stuff I’m forgetting  - are just at best unique and intermittently interesting.
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Re: Bach Six Partitas
« Reply #210 on: September 06, 2020, 02:54:33 AM »
I'm trying to muster up all my love for this but I can't. Absolutely stunning instrument, the 1740 3-manual Hass harpsichord, but the playing is so extremely soulless and boring. I know Puyana is an "old master" (said ironically) but even his Pleyel monsterchord recordings are much better than this. So can someone tell me something to redeem this in my mind? I take no as an answer.



I guess this is a cautionary tale about harpsichord playing. There is no hiding, even (or especially) on a great old harpsichord like this one.


I'm afraid that, for all the preciousness about the product and the greatness (alleged or actual) of the instrument, this never quite did the trick for me, either...

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« Reply #211 on: December 26, 2020, 05:44:27 PM »
Do have a listen to Siegbert Rampe's partitas if you've got time, they're in spotify,  I love them.

This is why I keep skimming these threads for recommendations. What a gem! And he never recorded any other of Bach's solo keyboard works?!

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Re: Bach Six Partitas
« Reply #212 on: February 20, 2021, 05:26:57 PM »
Listening today: Egarr: much drama and depth. Schepkin: another pianist who doesn’t care about rubato.

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« Reply #213 on: February 28, 2021, 12:24:43 PM »

Cross posted from new releases, I listened to the 2nd partita and the sarabande of the 6th. It's nice playing but a bit uniform - nothing really to write home about. Great sound from the German-style harpsichord.

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Re: Bach Six Partitas
« Reply #214 on: March 01, 2021, 06:56:52 AM »

Cross posted from new releases, I listened to the 2nd partita and the sarabande of the 6th. It's nice playing but a bit uniform - nothing really to write home about. Great sound from the German-style harpsichord.

Thanks for the comments. I think I shall pass it by, already owning many recordings of the partitas.
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Re: Bach Six Partitas
« Reply #215 on: March 01, 2021, 09:42:57 AM »
I’ve said this before, but Tilney’s account here is top of the heap. This dude is 87 year’s old!