Arizona Immigration Bill

[lisa needs braces]

The mainstream media is in an uproar about it.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=gW0&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=arizona%20immigration%20bill&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=nws:1&source=og&sa=N&tab=wn

Not necessarily the American people, though. I wonder why our elites are so in favor of illegal immigration.

[Archaic Torso of Apollo]

I wonder why our elites are so in favor of illegal immigration.

Probably because it provides a dirt-cheap workforce that lacks legal protection, which would not be the case if they hired only US citizens.

[lisa needs braces]

The question I wonder about is: do American citizens have a right to determine their demographic future or will that be decided for them by elites/mainstream media? Immigration is a good thing, and immigration from non-Hispanic countries seems mostly to be sensible and largely undertaken to benefit the U.S citizen. On the other hand, Mexico is dumping its underclass into the U.S and our elites are saying that any action undertaken to prevent or reverse that is "anti-immigrant" or "nativist."

[Archaic Torso of Apollo]

The question I wonder about is: do American citizens have a right to determine their demographic future or will that be decided for them by elites/mainstream media?

In theory, they have such right. However, as is usually the case, policies are actually made by elites and small, highly motivated groups (e.g. lobbyists).

On the other hand, once the cheap illegal labor disappears, prices for lots of things will go up, and nannies, gardeners and other types of day laborers will become more expensive and scarce. The influx of poor unprotected Latin Americans benefits middle class people, too.

[Coopmv]

North America is also known as Anglo America as vs. Latin America.  This wave of illegal immigration will eventually turn the entire western hemisphere into Latin America.   

[Josquin des Prez]

Probably because it provides a dirt-cheap workforce that lacks legal protection, which would not be the case if they hired only US citizens.

Pretty much. And of course, anybody who wishes to resit this uncontrolled wave of illegal demographic take over is automatically deemed a "racist".  After all, Americans stole this land from the Indians, who are they to complain? Never mind the fact that those thieving white Europeans worked like crazy to create the nation of America, it is more then fair that the fruits of their labor ought to be handed over to somebody else.

[Xenophanes]

It sounds unconstitutional to me, something about "unreasonable searches and seizures," Fourth Amendment, and all that jazz.  It is too subject to abuse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

[Antoine Marchand]

Pretty much. And of course, anybody who wishes to resit this uncontrolled wave of illegal demographic take over is automatically deemed a "racist".  After all, Americans stole this land from the Indians, who are they to complain? Never mind the fact that those thieving white Europeans worked like crazy to create the nation of America, it is more then fair that the fruits of their labor ought to be handed over to somebody else.

With advocates like you those "white Europeans" don't need enemies.

[Bulldog]

The question I wonder about is: do American citizens have a right to determine their demographic future or will that be decided for them by elites/mainstream media?

American citizens vote - they have the power.

[WI Dan]

The influx of poor unprotected Latin Americans benefits middle class people, too.

No, illegal immigration results in a huge net cost to American taxpayers.  Those of us who pay private property taxes are hit the hardest.  Only the business owners who employ cheap, illegal workers realize a net benefit, via increased profit margins. 

Furthermore, if all of those illegal aliens are granted citizenship through an amnesty program, the cost of their labor will, of course, rise dramatically, and quickly. 

Would you support legalizing illegal immigrants in an effort to alleviate the tax burden on citizens?  You can vote on the matter, here:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/polls/2010/apr/would-legalizing-illegal-immigrants-alleviate-tax-/results/

[Coopmv]

No, illegal immigration results in a huge net cost to American taxpayers.  Those of us who pay private property taxes are hit the hardest.  Only the business owners who employ cheap, illegal workers realize a net benefit, via increased profit margins. 

Furthermore, if all of those illegal aliens are granted citizenship through an amnesty program, the cost of their labor will, of course, rise dramatically, and quickly. 

Would you support legalizing illegal immigrants in an effort to alleviate the tax burden on citizens?  You can vote on the matter, here:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/polls/2010/apr/would-legalizing-illegal-immigrants-alleviate-tax-/results/

You got that right.  The mandatory bilingual education is also sucking down the overall US education system IMO ...

[Scarpia]

Mexico and other south American Counties also have their "white" European elite class as well.  The ones that illegally cross the boarder into the US give the impression of being of an aboriginal underclass.  Judging by the risks they take to reach the US, it would appear they are treated worse in their own counties than in the US, despite the claimed racism.

Nevertheless, the numbers in which they come here should be determined by US immigration policy, not by the numbers that human traffickers can smuggle in.   And immigration policies should be for the benefit of the US and its citizens.  It is frustrating to see extremely well qualified people from different parts of the world struggle to get legal status in the US, despite having PhD's in science, engineering, software development, etc, while the US absorbs vast numbers of from Latin America's underclass.

That said, the Arizona law makes me uncomfortable due to the likelyhood that people who are legitimate American citizens or residents will suffer abuse and humiliation because they fit the stereotype of an illegal.

[Josquin des Prez]

With advocates like you those "white Europeans" don't need enemies.

I'm just giving credit where credit is due. What's your beef with that?

[Josquin des Prez]

That said, the Arizona law makes me uncomfortable due to the likelyhood that people who are legitimate American citizens or residents will suffer abuse and humiliation because they fit the stereotype of an illegal.

Some people will argue those will simply be casualties of war. One might ask of course what, if anything, American citizens can do to prevent the unchecked flood of illegal immigration. I for one would be in favor of withdrawing our forces abroad and line them up across the border, but some would consider this option an "extreme" point of view (bombing foreign countries is apparently not extreme). Or perhaps we could stop trying to accommodate illegal immigrants in every which way possible, which might make some of them reconsider the risks involved with getting here in the first place. But alas, that too is an extreme measure. One wonders whether it is even feasible for Americans to defend themselves from national erosion without subjecting a large amount of people to personal inconvenience.

[drogulus]

     The costs and benefits of illegal immigration fall on different groups. That's why you can't solve the problem. We have to have these people we don't want. This will become even more clear as the population ages and we need not only the labor but a new tax base (including Social Security and Medicare taxes). In the end we'll find a way to legalize the illegals. They need to be here, sure, but our need keeps them here.

     "In principle", we should control our borders, right? But how can you do that if you have other more pressing priorities?

[Josquin des Prez]

But how can you do that if you have other more pressing priorities?

What could be more pressing then to defend the very physical base of our nation? We send our soldiers to die abroad, under the rubric of national defense, while we let our border corrode and our demographic change for the worst. You are insane man.

[Fëanor]

... I wonder why our elites are so in favor of illegal immigration.

Probably because it provides a dirt-cheap workforce that lacks legal protection, which would not be the case if they hired only US citizens.

There is no "probably" about it.  Labor you can hire for a low rate, to whom you pay no benefits, who you can blackmail with the threat of deporation, is the entire reason.

The problem of illegal immigration in the U.S. is a "demand" problem, not a "supply" problem.  In this regard it is very much like the illegal drug problem.

If the U.S. were serious about reducing illegal immigration, they would make it a crime to employ a person without validating their eligibility to work in the country.  This is not the case now nor is there any talk of making it so.  Such is the power of the elite over the U.S. Congress.  How sublimely hypocritical of the rulers of the Repulican Party that they suppress any discussion of effective anti-illegal legislation all the while they rant about the burden of the cost of immigrant welfare, healthcare, and education, and stoke the prejudices of their socially conservative followers.

[mc ukrneal]

What a horrible law. Why don't we just handcuff foreigners when they enter the state or inject them with a tracking device. 

And it sounds like a racial profiling abuse case just waiting to happen.

[Bulldog]

What could be more pressing then to defend the very physical base of our nation? We send our soldiers to die abroad, under the rubric of national defense, while we let our border corrode and our demographic change for the worst. You are insane man.

I'm tired of hearing about how minorities will one day rule this country thru greater numbers.  Here's an idea for whites who own this view - have more babies.

[Josquin des Prez]

I'm tired of hearing about how minorities will one day rule this country thru greater numbers.  Here's an idea for whites who own this view - have more babies.

Here's a quicker and more efficient system: secure the goddamn borders. You don't have a country if you don't have borders. Can it possibly be any simpler? As for whites having more babies, feminist propaganda and the attack on the family unit has taken care of that a long time ago. Its a lost cause. We are going the way of the dodo.