Dmitri's Dacha

[vandermolen]

Interesting! I've never really thought much of the 1st Symphony, thinking it a rather hollow work, but there are parts of it that I enjoy (particularly the timpani solo in the finale). What's your favorite recording?

Butting in here Kyle but just to say that I like the old Ormandy recording and the more recent Jarvi one on Chandos. Also Haitink, whose Shostakovich symphonies set is probably my overall favourite.

[Karl Henning]

about No.1
There is a freedom in No.1 that gets lost after No.4,... no? And there is a purity about No.1, as the thoughts of, what a 19yo? Whether it is on par with anything else, it is still its own thing, never to be duplicated (except perhaps in No.4).

87? Is that No.5? Yea, those are two totally different people there,... eh?


Think of it this way- what if No.1 was actually No.5?? What if he had to turn No.1 (let's say he premiered it and it wasn't liked) into No.5? What would No.1 sound like if he had to re-compose it to meet party approval?


btw- No.1 then comes from a completely different time. For what it is, it is unbuttoned and full of youthful (macabre) energy,... perhaps early Hindemith on drugs?



some people actually prefer a wunderkind's early blazes to their mature masterpieces.... not saying anything...

I do enjoy the pre-"Muddle" pieces, especially for the window upon the as-yet-not-quashed young artist, sure.  (The Op.87 are the Preludes & Fugues.)

[snyprrr]

I do enjoy the pre-"Muddle" pieces, especially for the window upon the as-yet-not-quashed young artist, sure.  (The Op.87 are the Preludes & Fugues.)

So... you're admitting you were wrong. That's mighty big of you, Karl!












titters

[kyjo]

Butting in here Kyle but just to say that I like the old Ormandy recording and the more recent Jarvi one on Chandos. Also Haitink, whose Shostakovich symphonies set is probably my overall favourite.

Thanks, Jeffrey. I haven't heard any of those recordings, so I'll be sure to check them out

[Karl Henning]

So... you're admitting you were wrong.

I'm repeating something I've said ere now, and more than once, viz. the "pre-Muddle" works.  And, to clarify, I'll repeat and amplify my point of yesterday:  it is ridiculous to put on par, music of the mastery and assurance of the Op.87 Preludes & Fugues, and a brilliant graduation piece by the untempered boy composer.

[Karl Henning]

Interesting! I've never really thought much of the 1st Symphony, thinking it a rather hollow work, but there are parts of it that I enjoy (particularly the timpani solo in the finale). What's your favorite recording?

You didn't ask me, but . . . possibly this one:



(Some years ago, I did a survey of 4-6 recordings of the First . . . I should try to dig it up.)

[kishnevi]

Thanks, Jeffrey. I haven't heard any of those recordings, so I'll be sure to check them out

This is also a good one
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Although I don't remember paying anything close to the current Amazon MP pricing.  Must be OOP.

[kishnevi]

I'm repeating something I've said ere now, and more than once, viz. the "pre-Muddle" works.  And, to clarify, I'll repeat and amplify my point of yesterday:  it is ridiculous to put on par, music of the mastery and assurance of the Op.87 Preludes & Fugues, and a brilliant graduation piece by the untempered boy composer.

Cough cough....
Some of us do find a good deal of mastery and assurance already present in the First Symphony, however different it is from the later works.
Enough that the Second and Third Symphonies seem a bit of a come-down after the First.  Or perhaps simply a valley between a Matterhorn and an Annapurna (the Fourth),

[Karl Henning]

Cough cough....
Some of us do find a good deal of mastery and assurance already present in the First Symphony, however different it is from the later works.

At the risk of straining after that gnat, yes, I agree that there is m. and a. (not Moses and Aron!) already p. in the Op.10.

Tangentially:  the only time I have heard the Op.10 live, was in Tallinn.  And . . . I regret to report that it was rather a musically tepid experience.

[vandermolen]

Just bought this set which I will be investigating forthwith:

You won't regret it I'm sure.

[vandermolen]

This is also a good one
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Although I don't remember paying anything close to the current Amazon MP pricing.  Must be OOP.

He also conducted an excellent version of Symphony 10 on a budget label many years ago.

[vandermolen]

You didn't ask me, but . . . possibly this one:



(Some years ago, I did a survey of 4-6 recordings of the First . . . I should try to dig it up.)

Also VG.

[kishnevi]

He also conducted an excellent version of Symphony 10 on a budget label many years ago.

Amazon lists a Tenth on Denon, perhaps that's the same one.
The same Halle series includes a performance of the 10th with him at the helm.

[vandermolen]

Amazon lists a Tenth on Denon, perhaps that's the same one.
The same Halle series includes a performance of the 10th with him at the helm.

I've just located my copy - on the super-budget 'IMP' label with the Halle Orchestra. recorded in Albert Hall, Bolton on November 24th and 25th 1990 (PCD 2043).

[kishnevi]

I've just located my copy - on the super-budget 'IMP' label with the Halle Orchestra. recorded in Albert Hall, Bolton on November 24th and 25th 1990 (PCD 2043).

Checks on Amazon.
This is yours

Which is actually the same as mine, it seems

But there are two other completely different performances

[SymphonicAddict]

Butting in here Kyle but just to say that I like the old Ormandy recording and the more recent Jarvi one on Chandos. Also Haitink, whose Shostakovich symphonies set is probably my overall favourite.

Certainly mine too. It's the most consistent one.

[SymphonicAddict]

Just bought this set which I will be investigating forthwith:

You can't go wrong with it, definitely not 

[snyprrr]

Cough cough....
Some of us do find a good deal of mastery and assurance already present in the First Symphony, however different it is from the later works.
Enough that the Second and Third Symphonies seem a bit of a come-down after the First.  Or perhaps simply a valley between a Matterhorn and an Annapurna (the Fourth),

Karl seems tense, no? Methinks it's the influence of BACH that's somehow being missed here. Op.10 is PURE Shosty, whereas the formal perfection of the P&Fs comes from... Bach.

So,... there's that!

[Cato]

The imperialist running dogs of capitalism       shamelessly exploit People's Hero Composer Comrade Shostakovich !     

Just listen!

https://www.youtube.com/v/_0LseZ5BlnI

(The Second Waltz from the Suite for Variety Orchestra a.k.a.  Jazz Suite #2 )

[Karl Henning]

That number has made the rounds! Eyes Wide Shut . . . the "Champagne for One" episode from A Nero Wolfe Mystery . . . .

Bet it would make a good swap for the "Grand Central Station magic" scene in The Fisher King, too!