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« Reply #160 on: August 19, 2010, 06:40:46 AM »
- As to FiDi, I have an on/off relationship with his voice and interpretative approach. I cold never have sat through the ensemble of his Schubert recordings for DG, even if I could have afforded them. But Gesamtaufnahmen were never my bag...

They've been reboxed at a lower price (you need to go online to download the texts) this year for FiDi's 85 birthday.  But you are right--I've listened to six of the 21 CDs so far, and have put off the remainder for the last week or so--it does get more than a little wearing after a while.  I'll probably be resuming the trek today, but at a more moderate pace, probably one  a day for the next couple of weeks.   

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« Reply #161 on: August 23, 2010, 11:54:11 PM »
I would very much like to hear Fassbaender's version . . .

I have it now. and I like it. In  Staedchen she's really quite  haunting. The piano part is very imaginative—it’s as if the piano is the  anxious heartbeat of the lover. I'd say of all the Staendchens I've heard, this has the best treatment of the piano.

And the singing seems interesting  – involved, and rather dramatic at the end, not too slow. I've got a playlist with a handful of Staendchens -- Hotter, Fassbaender, Schreier, Munteanu, Slezak, Huesch, Schlusnus. And Fassbaender has had a major impact even when surrounded by singers of that calibre.

I've also listened to Doppelganger and was equally impressed – if not more so. But Doppelganger’s an easier song to be impressive in!

Here's Marian Anderson in Der Döppelganger--a fine voice with much feeling (although maybe a little flat at times).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6oxJ23J7Jc

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Thanks for pointig that out to me -- I was wondering if any other women did it besides Lehmann and Fassbaender.
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« Reply #162 on: January 18, 2011, 05:36:15 AM »
Which are your favourites Lieder of the great Franz?

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« Reply #163 on: January 18, 2011, 09:26:48 AM »
Great Topic

I think his three great cycles contain some of his most beautiful songs.
My absolute favorites among the Lieder that are not part of cycles: Frühlingsglaube, Nacht und Träume, Im Abendrot (D799)

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« Reply #164 on: January 18, 2011, 09:55:09 AM »
Never heard...thx!. What about Ganymed and An die Musik?

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« Reply #165 on: January 18, 2011, 09:58:11 AM »
The three great cycles of course, and who doesn't like Erlkoenig?  There are others, but I can't name them readily.  When I'm in the mood for some Schubert lieder, I just put a disc in and listen. 
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« Reply #166 on: January 18, 2011, 01:09:19 PM »
Never heard...thx!. What about Ganymed and An die Musik?

I don't particularly like the lyrics of "An die Musik", but the melody is lovely. Don't particularly enjoy Ganymed..

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« Reply #167 on: January 26, 2011, 08:04:44 AM »
(One) favourite Schubert song in all-time favourite performance: "Nachtstück" sung by Karl Erb. The endless arching, yearning phrases as sung here have an effect on me similar to that evoked by Martinelli w/Ponselle (or live w/?) in Aida "'s "O Terra addio".
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« Reply #168 on: August 26, 2011, 09:42:31 PM »
Here's DFD with D 932 Der Kreuzzug

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I like it -- suggestions for other good performances of this interesting song musch appreciated  :)
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« Reply #169 on: August 26, 2011, 11:22:10 PM »
Here's DFD and Holl and Moll with D 932 Der Kreuzzug

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I like it -- suggestions for other good performances of this interesting song musch appreciated  :)
Well, I have the version with Gerald Finley on volume 15 of the Hyperion series. I think he is a bit more to my taste. DFD seems a bit more declamatory and Finley takes a more rounded (less angular) approach, which seems to suit the music.  I like the piano on both though. Unfortunately, I don't see a clip anywhere, though the Hyperion site tends to give longer clips to hear if you want to see what you think.
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« Reply #170 on: January 08, 2012, 01:10:45 AM »
Schubert is a box of treasures and although I know a lot of his songs, about 40 or 50 disks worth. Still on listening, one I have heard before suddenly catches my ear and then I get to know it properly. I can't bring to mind the Gewesen one, I will search it out.

I was listening to that Schwarzkopf disk last week on Spotify and enjoyed it a great deal, including the pianism.

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« Reply #171 on: January 09, 2012, 05:37:23 AM »
Das sie hier gewesen: is there a reason why this miraculous song is not more ofter recorded? Not that Anne Sofie Von Otter's miraculous rendition leaves one craving others. Just wonderful, how Schubert stress the words: "sie bliebe" - and how miss Otter expresses them!




It's a very good CD that one, full of interesting songs you don't hear too often. Thanks for pointing it ou.

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« Reply #172 on: January 09, 2012, 09:40:28 AM »
By the way I forgot to mention that I'm swimming in recordings of Das sie hier gewesen: Erb, Grummer, Schumann, Husch, Ludwig, Gerhaher. And now Otter  ;)
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« Reply #173 on: January 14, 2012, 09:46:47 AM »
What about Christoph Prégardien, tenor in Zügenglöcklein? I was listening to DFD in this and had to stop midway, it was so aggressive sounding, and so found this instead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DhIqe-Hf3Y&feature=related
The pianist is very good too, Michael Gees.
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« Reply #174 on: January 14, 2012, 02:58:08 PM »
Thanks for pointing out the von Otter disc, toucan - she is a wonderful singer.

Prégardien is an excellent Schubert singer, too.
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« Reply #175 on: January 16, 2012, 11:50:28 AM »
What about Christoph Prégardien, tenor in Zügenglöcklein? I was listening to DFD in this and had to stop midway, it was so aggressive sounding, and so found this instead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DhIqe-Hf3Y&feature=related
The pianist is very good too, Michael Gees.
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Prégardien is probably my favorite male interpreter of Schubert. A beautiful tenor with a baritone colour, showing great understanding of the texts. His Winterreise with Andreas Staier on fortepiano is fabeltastisch. :)



My fave lady in this oeuvre is Elly Ameling. It feels like she's born in these songs.

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« Reply #176 on: January 21, 2012, 12:15:58 AM »
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The Husch is very good I think. I was quite surprised because normally I've been a bit negative about stand and deliver singers like Husch, but his  Das sie hier gewesen is disarmingly sincere.

For Zügenglöcklein I prefer FiDi/Richter in Salzburg to Pregardien/Gees.
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« Reply #177 on: January 21, 2012, 12:32:13 AM »


Am no specialist, have got the lied repertoire though, but bought this the other day (for less than 1 euro) and was very impressed. In general I prefer the early FD also.

Contains six Heine lieder - "Der Atlas", "Ihr Bild", "Das Fischermädchen", "Die Stadt", "Am Meer", "Der Doppelgänger" + Beethoven´s "An Die Ferne Geliebte".

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« Reply #178 on: January 21, 2012, 12:36:31 AM »
The Husch is very good I think. I was quite surprised because normally I've been a bit negative about stand and deliver singers like Husch, but his  Das sie hier gewesen is disarmingly sincere.

For Zügenglöcklein I prefer FiDi/Richter in Salzburg to Pregardien/Gees.

I think Fassbaender with Johnson is an interesting version, slow but well sustained.

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« Reply #179 on: January 25, 2012, 11:22:43 AM »
Vol 26 of the Hyperion Schubert Edition (An 1826 Schubertiad)  has three sentimental rarities which make me go weak at the knees whenever I hear them. One is the duet D877 no.1 "Nur wer die Sehnsucht kennt". The other is the well known D892, "Nachstelle". And the third -- IMO the most extraordinary of the lot, is D 829 "Abschied von der Erde ".

It's a wonderful CD.

Leb' wohl, du schöne Erde!
Kann dich erst jetzt versteh'n,
Wo Freude und wo Kummer
An uns vorüberweh'n.

Leb' wohl, du Meister Kummer!
Dank dir mit nassem Blick!
Mit mir nehm' ich die Freude,
Dich laß' ich hier zurück.

Sei nur ein milder Lehrer,
Führ' alle hin zu Gott,
Zeig' in den trübsten Nächten
Ein Streiflein Morgenrot!

Lasse sie die Liebe ahnen,
So danken sie dir noch,
Der früher und der später,
Sie danken weinend doch.

Dann glänzt das Leben heiter,
Mild lächelt jeder Schmerz,
Die Freude hält umfangen
Das ruh'ge, klare Herz.

Fair you well, you lovely world!
Only now do I understand you,
when joy and when sorrow
are passing away from us.

Fare you well, Master Sorrow!
I thank you with moist eyes!
With me I take joy -
you I leave here behind me.

Just be a gentle teacher,
lead everyone to God,
show them in the gloomy nights
a little streak of dawn!

Let them feel love,
and they will give thanks
sooner or later;
they will give tearful thanks.

Then life will be serene,
and every grief will smile placidly;
joy will enfold
the clear and tranquil heart.

And here's Bostridge and Ansnes with it, the Hyperion one isn't on youtube



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