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Offline dissily Mordentroge

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Re: Schubert Lieder
« Reply #180 on: November 15, 2019, 04:18:16 PM »
I find it somewhat depressing the last post I can find discussing lieder was made in 2012. Am I looking in the wrong place or has Lieder really become that unpopular today? While I’m here can someone reveal if larger scale vocal works, such as Mahler’s ‘Das Lied von der Erde’, are generally regarded here as lieder of subsumed under some other category?
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Re: Schubert Lieder
« Reply #181 on: November 15, 2019, 04:40:04 PM »
I find it somewhat depressing the last post I can find discussing lieder was made in 2012. Am I looking in the wrong place or has Lieder really become that unpopular today? While I’m here can someone reveal if larger scale vocal works, such as Mahler’s ‘Das Lied von der Erde’, are generally regarded here as lieder of subsumed under some other category?

Check under Composer Discussion/Opera and Vocal/Great Recordings: we have often written about the Lieder of Schubert, Mahler, Richard Strauss, etc..  The search engine here is rather eccentric.   8)

e.g.

https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,683.msg1233389/topicseen.html#msg1233389

https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,555.msg1233608/topicseen.html#msg1233608

https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,555.msg1237613.html#msg1237613


https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,14181.msg1209504.html#msg1209504


https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,683.msg1238928.html#msg1238928



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Re: Schubert Lieder
« Reply #182 on: November 15, 2019, 07:36:42 PM »
Check under Composer Discussion/Opera and Vocal/Great Recordings: we have often written about the Lieder of Schubert, Mahler, Richard Strauss, etc..  The search engine here is rather eccentric.   8)

e.g.

https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,683.msg1233389/topicseen.html#msg1233389

https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,555.msg1233608/topicseen.html#msg1233608

https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,555.msg1237613.html#msg1237613


https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,14181.msg1209504.html#msg1209504


https://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,683.msg1238928.html#msg1238928

Thanks for the reading list. I’ll digest it at leisure. When I read the last was titled "Robert Schumann's Secret" by Jan Reichow I thought to myself ‘I knew he was gay’ but then I remembered Clara and realised I was thinking of Schubert.
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Re: Schubert Lieder
« Reply #183 on: December 01, 2019, 09:16:37 AM »
I find it somewhat depressing the last post I can find discussing lieder was made in 2012. Am I looking in the wrong place or has Lieder really become that unpopular today? While I’m here can someone reveal if larger scale vocal works, such as Mahler’s ‘Das Lied von der Erde’, are generally regarded here as lieder of subsumed under some other category?

I can't comment on 'such as' but, specifically, Mahler regarded Das Lied von der Erde  as a symphony (and so do I) and I am sure there is plenty of discussion of it in the Mahler thread.

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Re: Schubert Lieder
« Reply #184 on: December 01, 2019, 01:50:20 PM »
I can't comment on 'such as' but, specifically, Mahler regarded Das Lied von der Erde  as a symphony (and so do I) and I am sure there is plenty of discussion of it in the Mahler thread.
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Re: Schubert Lieder
« Reply #185 on: December 01, 2019, 02:16:26 PM »
By no name will Mahlers "Das Lied von der Erde" ever become a Schubert lied...
Struck by the sounds before the sun,
I knew the night had gone.
The morning breeze like a bugle blew
Against the drums of dawn.
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Re: Schubert Lieder
« Reply #186 on: December 01, 2019, 02:47:30 PM »
By no name will Mahlers "Das Lied von der Erde" ever become a Schubert lied...
What a peculiar idea ! All I can say is I experience ‘Das Lied von der Erde’ as a tone poem with words.
 I have to admit rationing my exposure to the Ferrier, Patzak, Walter recording to once a year. Even decades after being knocked senseless on first hearing I still burst into tears at the final song - er movement - er 'Der Abschied’. I know not everyone suffers the same vulnerability to an initial exposure. I haven’t ever recovered from first hearing the Schwarzkopf, Fischer-Dieskau, Moore recording of Wolf’s ‘Italian Songbook’ despite having enjoyed many other highly recommended performances. Same with an ancient LP of Paul Paray’s Brahms 4th Symphony which still gets a spin 50 or more years after.
Maybe that makes me a musical luddite of some kind? 
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Re: Schubert Lieder
« Reply #187 on: December 01, 2019, 03:35:57 PM »
What a peculiar idea ! All I can say is I experience ‘Das Lied von der Erde’ as a tone poem with words.
 I have to admit rationing my exposure to the Ferrier, Patzak, Walter recording to once a year. Even decades after being knocked senseless on first hearing I still burst into tears at the final song - er movement - er 'Der Abschied’. I know not everyone suffers the same vulnerability to an initial exposure. I haven’t ever recovered from first hearing the Schwarzkopf, Fischer-Dieskau, Moore recording of Wolf’s ‘Italian Songbook’ despite having enjoyed many other highly recommended performances. Same with an ancient LP of Paul Paray’s Brahms 4th Symphony which still gets a spin 50 or more years after.
Maybe that makes me a musical luddite of some kind?

I think you misunderstand: he is merely referring to the now ongoing discussion of Mahler in a thread on Schubert. If you thought it was hard to find a discussion of it earlier, wait till someone else goes looking for this one!  ;)

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