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[Brahmsian]

May I make a suggestion? You're responding in your post to a chap (some guy) who adores the music that you're dismissing as degenerate trash. He listens to it not to impress anyone, not to make a point, but because he loves it. You have a great opportunity here,  to listen to what he says and understand what it is that attracts him to the music you hate. He's one of the most fascinating posters I know on this forum, even though my musical tastes are widely different from his. He knows something about that music that you can never know as long as you're overwhelmed by your hate campaign. You don't even have to learn to enjoy the music yourself. All that's needed is to try, just a little, to understand someone else's point of view instead of allowing your own prejudice to run rampant.

Elgarian, that is truly one excellent post. 

[Scarpia]

May I make a suggestion? You're responding in your post to a chap (some guy) who adores the music that you're dismissing as degenerate trash. He listens to it not to impress anyone, not to make a point, but because he loves it. You have a great opportunity here,  to listen to what he says and understand what it is that attracts him to the music you hate. He's one of the most fascinating posters I know on this forum, even though my musical tastes are widely different from his. He knows something about that music that you can never know as long as you're overwhelmed by your hate campaign. You don't even have to learn to enjoy the music yourself. All that's needed is to try, just a little, to understand someone else's point of view instead of allowing your own prejudice to run rampant.

[Waiting for response (cricket heard in background)]

[Teresa]

Yeah, going so far to call anything that doesn't fall into the category of common-practice tonality "degenerate" (or indeed, calling any music, be it punk rock, hip-hop, etc. "degenerate") causes me to question the state of the speaker's mental well-being.

How you read the "sick" lyrics of vocal pieces and operas of Schoenberg and his followers?  Have you looked at the depraved photos on their album covers? Have you heard violent descriptions of murder, torture, rape and other anti-social crimes in the music of not only the avant-garde but also Rap?

Yes some music is so depraved it should not exist in a civilized society.

[CD]

Ha. Right.

Ignored.

[(poco) Sforzando]

Elgarian, that is truly one excellent post.

Indeed it is, especially in addressing a person who is always ready to shout out her contention that everything is a matter of opinion, and greatness is simply a matter of whatever any individual may like, but who proves when confronted that she really believes opinions are valid solely when they support her own.

[Teresa]

May I make a suggestion? You're responding in your post to a chap (some guy) who adores the music that you're dismissing as degenerate trash. 

Sorry I do not believe this  , history is on the side of those who like music.  Music destroyers such as Schoenberg shall NEVER be forgiven for their crimes against music.  This has NOTHING to do with like and dislike but evil intent by the Second Viennese School. 

[karlhenning]

Elbow-pads & helmet in Aisle 10, Earl!

[Brahmsian]

This has NOTHING to do with like and dislike but evil intent by the Second Viennese School.

No, Teresa.  The only evil here is the bile you are spewing.

[Scarpia]

Sorry I do not believe this  , history is on the side of those who like music.  Music destroyers such as Schoenberg shall NEVER be forgiven for their crimes against music.  This has NOTHING to do with like and dislike but evil intent by the Second Viennese School.

Are you posting from inside an asylum for the criminally insane?

[Teresa]

Indeed it is, especially in addressing a person who is always ready to shout out her contention that everything is a matter of opinion, and greatness is simply a matter of whatever any individual may like, but who proves when confronted that she really believes opinions are valid solely when they support her own.

I agree which composers one likes and dislikes or composers one things are great or poor is personal opinion.

However this is different, the Second Viennese School is an ATTACK ON THE VERY FABRIC OF CLASSICAL MUSIC ITSELF, THIS IS ANTI-CLASSICAL AND VILE BY IT'S VERY EXISTANCE.  Anyone who claims to love music should fight this attack, as hundreds of modern classical composers have done. 

History is on the side of those who love music. 

[Brian]

I just wanted to say Jennifer Higdon is on of my favorite modern tonal composers.    Have you heard her Blue Cathedral, City Scape or Concerto for Orchestra?

I hate to disappoint you, Teresa, but as much as I like modern tonal composers (Avner Dorman, Robert Aldridge, Timothy Kramer etc.), I have heard Jennifer Higdon's "blue cathedral" live, twice actually, and thought it terribly boring. It sounded like an attempt at Hollywood easy listening with some gimmicks, like the little bell thingies, to cover up the lack of ideas. So I'm siding with Mirror Image here.

[Elgarian]

Sorry I do not believe this  , history is on the side of those who like music.

Let's get this clear, Teresa. Some guy doesn't just like this music. He adores it. It enormously enriches his life. Whether you believe that or not is irrelevant. It's simply true.

Your hate is closing you off not merely from certain types of music (which doesn't really matter much, perhaps), but far more importantly, from understanding your fellow human beings.

[greg]

Name calling and bad behavior will not help your cause.  Nor will it magically turn atonal non-music into real classical music.  IT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY, it didn't last century, it does not this century and it will not next century.

The atonal avant-garde Second Viennese School pulled a scam and have been revealed for all to HEAR.  Modern tonal classical composers totally reject their nonsense.

Um, atonal music by a classical composer is already classical music.

You are just plain stupid because you can't believe that someone genuinely likes something that you don't like. Most people can believe a simple concept like this after the age of... what, 6?

If someone tells me they enjoy some horrible pop song that makes my ears bleed, what reason would they have to lie to me? Are they just trying to be popular by liking a pop song? Sure, it might be hard to believe, but people are different. Not grasping a simple concept like this makes it a fact that you're an idiot (even though I really hate to say that to anyone).

[Scarpia]

I agree which composers one likes and dislikes or composers one things are great or poor is personal opinion.

However this is different, the Second Viennese School is an ATTACK ON THE VERY FABRIC OF CLASSICAL MUSIC ITSELF, THIS IS ANTI-CLASSICAL AND VILE BY IT'S VERY EXISTANCE.  Anyone who claims to love music should fight this attack, as hundreds of modern classical composers have done. 

History is on the side of those who love music. 

Explain how writing one sort of music is an "attack" on another sort of music.  When I eat oat flakes, that is an attack on rolled oats? 

[Teresa]

Are you posting from inside an asylum for the criminally insane?

No, I am only standing up for classical music, and reject that which opposed and wished to destroy music.  I have posted on page one some YouTubes of modern tonal classical composers, perhaps you should listen to them? 

[jochanaan]

I agree which composers one likes and dislikes or composers one things are great or poor is personal opinion.

However this is different, the Second Viennese School is an ATTACK ON THE VERY FABRIC OF CLASSICAL MUSIC ITSELF, THIS IS ANTI-CLASSICAL AND VILE BY IT'S VERY EXISTANCE.  Anyone who claims to love music should fight this attack, as hundreds of modern classical composers have done. 

History is on the side of those who love music. 

Well, I practiced some Brahms yesterday; but I think I'm gonna go embrace The Dark Side now and do some Schoenberg!  Oh, and some Varèse for good measure!   "You will be assimilated.  Resistance is futile"

[Teresa]

No, Teresa.  The only evil here is the bile you are spewing.

No it is the atonal avant-garde who are evil, I am defending music to the best of my ability!!!!!!!!   

[Brahmsian]

When I eat oat flakes, that is an attack on rolled oats?

  LOL!

[Brahmsian]

When I eat oat flakes, that is an attack on rolled oats?

I believe it's called cerealism. 

[Elgarian]

When I eat oat flakes, that is an attack on rolled oats?

If I were an oat flake, I suppose I might see it like that....