Political Matrix

[Josquin des Prez]

How about raped women? How about women who experience something terrible during the pregnancy? Sometimes abortion can be a responsible action.

Those are extreme cases which dot not in any way validate abortion. There are occasions when murder may be a necessity (self defence, war), but this does not mean murder should be legalized in principle.

[oabmarcus]

Perhaps. It was the test which implied that being against a certain practice in principle means one is in favor of restricting said practice in the first place. The fact i am against abortion from a moral point of view has nothing to do with whether i want or do not want the government to restrict it (i'm also against cheating from a moral point of view but i don't think people should go to jail for it). The problem is that liberalism is pushing abortion from a moral point of view as well as a legal one, by positioning their point view within moral parameters in the first place (a woman's right to chose!). They are saying that abortion should not only be illegal, but should also not be immoral as well. It should in fact be a human right.

Indeed.

why bother responding to this sack of sh*t, i told you guys this is a horrible, horrible human being.

[Bulldog]

why bother responding to this sack of sh*t, i told you guys this is a horrible, horrible human being.

You're using extremely ridiculous and hateful words.  Given your posting history on the board, I expect better from you.

[Todd]

why bother responding to this sack of sh*t, i told you guys this is a horrible, horrible human being.

Ah, yes, you oabmarcus set the standard for decency.

[oabmarcus]

You're using extremely ridiculous and hateful words.  Given your posting history on the board, I expect better from you.

I am merely telling the truth. To be frank, I am trying my best to hold back my emotions, I was originally planning to say something much worse!

[Bulldog]

I am merely telling the truth. To be frank, I am trying my best to hold back my emotions, I was originally planning to say something much worse!

Try to stay cool during these hot times.

[oabmarcus]

Ah, yes, you oabmarcus set the standard for decency.

Still too decent for my taste, real men swear and cuss. You can't reason with a piece of shit like him, he thinks he knows best for other people. How funny, I thought republicans hated "big government" or "government getting into our lives". Aren't both abortion and gay marriage exactly the very same thing the conservatives dread the most? i.e government's involvement with people's everyday liberties?

Just another blatant case of hypocrisy. Okay, imagine this scenario. des Prez has a 13 year old daughter, one day, a family relative comes from afar. He comes and rapes her. She gets pregnant, what will Prez do? Of course, he will say something along the line of "in this instance, abortion is okay". But what the right wing nut jobs are trying to do is BAN ANY FORM OF ABORTION PERIOD! Those pushing for this agenda didn't say: "oh, if your daughter got raped, we will let her abort it." NO. This is exactly what teh right wingers want, they don't give a damn about your freedom, just aslong their little bigoted brain don't explode, they'll do anything to deprived you from your freedoms. Whether it is gay rights, abortion rights.

to show some evidence, this is Sharron angle's belief on the matter: "when life give you lemons, make lemonade"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEHJSoNEyPw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX0bIYe4_2k

do you really want to vote for someone like that? tell me, Republicans!

[Josquin des Prez]

I have a feeling oabmarcus didn't even raid what i said.

[Todd]

You can't reason with a piece of shit like him, he thinks he knows best for other people. How funny, I thought republicans hated "big government" or "government getting into our lives". Aren't both abortion and gay marriage exactly the very same thing the conservatives dread the most? i.e government's involvement with people's everyday liberties?

Just another blatant case of hypocrisy.

I do enjoy a good temper tantrum when it's in writing.

[Daverz]

You're using extremely ridiculous and hateful words.

No, just statements of fact, as far as I can see.

[Franco]

I am often struck how often leftists/liberals respond, when presented with the opposing view, not with a well-reasoned rational argument to the ideas expressed, but an emotional tirade filled with pejoratives and labeling the non-liberal not only "wrong" but "evil".

Odd behavior, IMO.

[oabmarcus]

I am often struck how often leftists/liberals respond, when presented with the opposing view, not with a well-reasoned rational argument to the ideas expressed, but an emotional tirade filled with pejoratives and labeling the non-liberal not only "wrong" but "evil".

Odd behavior, IMO.

"you lie" joe wilson
"obama is a terroist" Teabaggers
"Obama hates white people" Glenn Beck
"barack HUSSEIN Obama"
..................

[Bulldog]

No, just statements of fact, as far as I can see.

Then you need to schedule a visit with your eye doctor.

[Franco]

"you lie" joe wilson
"obama is a terroist" Teabaggers
"Obama hates white people" Glenn Beck
..................

I was referring to this thread and others like it on this forum.  But whenever anyone goes to that level it is merely an emotional outburst and not what I consider argumentation of a point of view.

[oabmarcus]

I was referring to this thread and others like it on this forum.  But whenever anyone goes to that level it is merely an emotional outburst and not what I consider argumentation of a point of view.

Okay, i am all calm now. Please, let's discuss this topic in a reasonable, civil way.

Why should Abortion and Gay Marriage be illegal? Discuss, and support your argument with plenty of evidence please!

[springrite]

Economic score: +0.65
Social score: +0.17

Guess I am very centrist...

[oabmarcus]

Then you need to schedule a visit with your eye doctor.

Bulldog? how about Bullshit, i think that handle suits you better.

[Daverz]

I am often struck how often leftists/liberals respond, when presented with the opposing view, not with a well-reasoned rational argument to the ideas expressed, but an emotional tirade filled with pejoratives and labeling the non-liberal not only "wrong" but "evil".

I don't see any well-reasoned arguments in JdP's posts?

[The new erato]

Okay, i am all calm now. Please, let's discuss this topic in a reasonable, civil way.

Why should Abortion and Gay Marriage be illegal? Discuss, and support your argument with plenty of evidence please!

Because we believe in individual freedom, and God is against it?

Which seems to be the stance of the voters most against it. Very confusing to me, this.

[Franco]

Okay, i am all calm now. Please, let's discuss this topic in a reasonable, civil way.

Why should Abortion and Gay Marriage be illegal? Discuss, and support your argument with plenty of evidence please!

I don't think they should be illegal, and never advocated such a thing.  I don't care about gay marriage - but regarding abortions, I consider them a matter of private choice (same with end of life issues), but not something I should be forced into supporting by having government subsidize them with the taxes I've paid.