Crappy Taste--Period

[Mirror Image]

Good.  So now, you can now agree that anyone here who enjoys Schoenberg, Webern or Berg's music doesn't have bad taste in music.

Don't you just love the irony? I'm anxious to read her response to this.

[drogulus]

It's an illusion, it does not EXIST.  It is something uppity-people use to beat others up with who do not like what they like. 

Their is NO BAD TASTE, only differences in what each listener likes!  Taste is PERSONAL, neither good nor bad IMHO.

Don't give me music with good taste, give me music that tastes good! 

P.S. There is nothing wrong with learning more about the music you love, whither by reading composer histories or studying musical scores.   But that does not give me or anyone else to dictate taste to anyone else. 

     My model of taste is social, so your view that it doesn't exist makes sense if you really don't care about what people think and feel about what you care so much about, the music you love. But isn't that a rather odd attitude to have towards an art form that is built around social activity the way music is? And why do you care so much that you post vehemently about what you like and dislike, yet profess such indifference to what other people think and feel? Isn't that odd?

[Teresa]

Good.  So now, you can now agree that anyone here who enjoys Schoenberg, Webern or Berg's music doesn't have bad taste in music.

I never claimed anyone liking composers I do not of having bad taste.  My problem with the three so-called composers you list is with their non-music and their negative influence on composers that followed, taking them down the wrong path so to speak.   I do believe that such degeneracy should be banned as I believe ALL degenerate art should be banned.  But since I believe in democracy, I have to wait until the majority of Americans are also fed up with anti-moral filth for my wishes to be fulfilled.   However I would NEVER call anyone liking degenerate art of having bad taste.

In the case of the 2nd Viennese School I wrote an article on their negative influences on classical music: The near destruction of Classical Music by the Second Viennese School

[Mirror Image]

I never claimed anyone liking composers I do not of having bad taste.  My problem with the three so-called composers you list is with their non-music and their negative influence on composers that followed, taking them down the wrong path so to speak.   I do believe that such degeneracy should be banned as I believe ALL degenerate art should be banned.  But since I believe in democracy, I have to wait until the majority of Americans are also fed up with anti-moral filth for my wishes to be fulfilled.   However I would NEVER call anyone liking degenerate art of having bad taste.

In the case of the 2nd Viennese School I wrote an article on their negative influences on classical music: The near destruction of Classical Music by the Second Viennese School

But it's okay for you to insult what other people like? Please explain your logic.

[Bulldog]

I never claimed anyone liking composers I do not of having bad taste.  My problem with the three so-called composers you list is with their non-music and their negative influence on composers that followed, taking them down the wrong path so to speak.   I do believe that such degeneracy should be banned as I believe ALL degenerate art should be banned.  But since I believe in democracy, I have to wait until the majority of Americans are also fed up with anti-moral filth for my wishes to be fulfilled.   

At a minimum, you've stated that folks who like their music have degenerate taste.

[Teresa]

     My model of taste is social, so your view that it doesn't exist makes sense if you really don't care about what people think and feel about what you care so much about, the music you love. But isn't that a rather odd attitude to have towards an art form that is built around social activity the way music is? And why do you care so much that you post vehemently about what you like and dislike, yet profess such indifference to what other people think and feel? Isn't that odd?

Not at all odd as my biggest message since the 1970's is one can enjoy classical music WITHOUT following the crowd.  Without the uppity-ups must have composers and compositions.  I have proven there are thousands of other composers and compositions that one may love just as much or even more.  My message is there is classical music out there for everyone, it is just finding it.  The internet makes this easier BTW.

So in short it is NOT important what other people like, it is only important what you like as you are the one doing the listening.   

I do not care one wit if others do not love my favorite composers such as: Johan de Meij, Michael Daugherty, Malcolm Arnold, Gould, Holst or Respighi for example.  I just want others who are not taken with traditional classical music to know there are alternatives out there they may just love.

[Teresa]

But it's okay for you to insult what other people like? Please explain your logic.

Nothing to explain, I am firmly against degeneracy in ALL forms, from music to art to porn.  I will not judge people ever who engage in degeneracy but I will be one who votes to outlaw it.   

[Mirror Image]

At a minimum, you've stated that folks who like their music have degenerate taste.

She's never answered my question, so apparently she does.

[Mirror Image]

Nothing to explain, I am firmly against degeneracy in ALL forms, from music to art to porn.  I will not judge people ever who engage in degeneracy but I will be one who votes to outlaw it.   

But it's okay to continue to insult what people like?

[Teresa]

But it's okay to continue to insult what people like?

As long as degenerate music is legal I WILL NEVER INSULT anyone for liking degenerate music.  But I will vote to make it illegal if it ever comes up for a vote. 

[Teresa]

She's never answered my question, so apparently she does.

Yes I did in three different posts, please reread then for comprehension!!!!!! 

Just to make this CRYSTAL CLEAR I would NEVER attack anyone's taste for liking degenerate or even illegal music.

[greg]

So if one day atonal music becomes illegal and I listen to Schoenberg for fun in the privacy of my own home, but get caught by having someone discover his music on my computer, I should go to jail?

[Mirror Image]

As long as degenerate music is legal I WILL NEVER INSULT anyone for liking degenerate music.  But I will vote to make it illegal if it ever comes up for a vote.

But all you're doing is continuing to state your opinion of these composers over and over again by calling it "degenerate music." I didn't call any of the composers that you like and I don't "degenerates." All I might say is I don't care for their music. Why can't you just state that you don't like somebody's music and leave it at that instead of going off on a tangent?

[Mirror Image]

Are you there Teresa? Why can't you answer my question? Has the cat got your degenerate tongue? 

[Teresa]

But all you're doing is continuing to state your opinion of these composers over and over again by calling it "degenerate music." I didn't call any of the composers that you like and I don't "degenerates." All I might say is I don't care for their music. Why can't you just state that you don't like somebody's music and leave it at that instead of going off on a tangent?

Degenerate music is what it is and music by the Second Viennese School was written with evil intent, to seduce people pretending to be intellectual.  It is super easy to recognise.  However I would never insult anyone for liking degenerate music.  Remember it is NOT a value judgement but an accurate description of what the music actually is.  It is up to the listener whither they want to listen to degenerate music or not.  But to claim SOMEHOW MAGICALLY it is not degenerate flies in the face of all logic. 

From The near destruction of Classical Music by the Second Viennese School

"Schoenberg's music and that of the other members of the Second Viennese School, Berg and Webern is an illegitimate farce, and his 12 tone system is a scam.

The sad fact is intellectuals everywhere fell for his scam. He was a clever, clever man but in no way shape or form a REAL classical composer.

Thank god Schoenberg's corrupting influence is disappearing, and many modern composers are once again writing music that can be listened to with real human ears.

A little kid banging random notes on a piano makes better music to my ears than the awful extremely UGLY atonal non-music Schoenberg composed.

I personally believe Schoenberg realized his tonal compositions, such as Verklarte Nacht were considerably worse than what come before so he discovered a new system of composing, rejecting melodic intervals and tonal modes and inventing the 12 tone row with the use of hard dissonance resulting in extremely atonal anti-music.  If one objected to this new non-musical NOISE, they were told they did not understand it.  What a bogus lie, what a scam, what a way to push something that is unsalable, to use the cover of bogus intellectuality.  It is a scam, pure and simple.

I generally ignore that which is not relevant to the music I enjoy.  However it is important to firmly acknowledge Schoenberg and the Second Viennese School's destructive influence on classical music.   Thank goodness many modern composers beginning with neo-romantic composers such Howard Hanson have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt the negative influences of Schoenberg and his followers can be overcome.  However there are still a lot of anti-composers who were sucked into the Second Viennese School web of deception and their resulting music is forever ruined.

I feel it is obscene the way intellectuals support ugliness in music and actually claim there is value in it.  Maybe one needs special atonal ears?

I am glad his anti-musical influence is DISAPPEARING from the classical music world as most new compositions are basically tonal, many are quite beautiful and wonderful.  In short music is getting back on track and in time Schoenberg's corrupting influence will be totally gone from the musical scene.

It is not just music that has been attacked by anti-art destroyers, but all forms of art including literature and the visual arts.  The latest manifestations include the offensive Rap music that glorifies murder, rape, and other forms of violence and are laced with vicious curse words.

Great Art


Degenerate Art


Degeneracy applies to music as well, we used to have decency laws.  There is some music that is so degenerate that it should not exist.  Schoenberg's assault against the world of music should be banned, just the same is we ban child pornography, murder and other socially unacceptable behavior.  Why we tolerate this as a society I do not know.  Until such as time we as a society realize real freedom is not the freedom to be degenerate BUT the freedom from degeneracy."

Degenerate anti-art has got to be FIRMLY OPPOSED by everyone everywhere who loves music.  PURE AND SIMPLE.

[karlhenning]

Degenerate music is what it is and music by the Second Viennese School was written with evil intent, to seduce people pretending to be intellectual.  It is super easy to recognise.  However I would never insult anyone for liking degenerate music.

Gawd, but you're funny!

[greg]

I actually prefer the second picture. While I respect the skill taken to make the first, there is still skill needed for the second- not to mention imagination.

Just look at the interlocking between the noses- how nicely it fits and all. The Cubist effect of having the eyes seen together in one perspective is pretty cool- not to mention the whole cut-out feel of it.

Speaking of interlocking, my favorite work of art does quite a bit of that:

[Franco]

Teresa,

Merely because you think some composers wrote "degenerate music" as part of an evil farce to seduce listeners pretending to be intellectual does not establish your opinion as a fact - and it would not matter if you quoted dozens of paragraphs from your blog supporting your opinion.

[greg]

Gawd, but you're funny!

Hmmm I've read the letters between Berg and Schoenberg and I missed them mentioning anything about their music being an evil scheme. Oh, wait- but that must be part of the conspiracy! 

[Mirror Image]

Degenerate music is what it is and music by the Second Viennese School was written with evil intent, to seduce people pretending to be intellectual.  It is super easy to recognise.  However I would never insult anyone for liking degenerate music.  Remember it is NOT a value judgement but an accurate description of what the music actually is.  It is up to the listener whither they want to listen to degenerate music or not.  But to claim SOMEHOW MAGICALLY it is not degenerate flies in the face of all logic. 

From The near destruction of Classical Music by the Second Viennese School

"Schoenberg's music and that of the other members of the Second Viennese School, Berg and Webern is an illegitimate farce, and his 12 tone system is a scam.

The sad fact is intellectuals everywhere fell for his scam. He was a clever, clever man but in no way shape or form a REAL classical composer.

Thank god Schoenberg's corrupting influence is disappearing, and many modern composers are once again writing music that can be listened to with real human ears.

A little kid banging random notes on a piano makes better music to my ears than the awful extremely UGLY atonal non-music Schoenberg composed.

I personally believe Schoenberg realized his tonal compositions, such as Verklarte Nacht were considerably worse than what come before so he discovered a new system of composing, rejecting melodic intervals and tonal modes and inventing the 12 tone row with the use of hard dissonance resulting in extremely atonal anti-music.  If one objected to this new non-musical NOISE, they were told they did not understand it.  What a bogus lie, what a scam, what a way to push something that is unsalable, to use the cover of bogus intellectuality.  It is a scam, pure and simple.

I generally ignore that which is not relevant to the music I enjoy.  However it is important to firmly acknowledge Schoenberg and the Second Viennese School's destructive influence on classical music.   Thank goodness many modern composers beginning with neo-romantic composers such Howard Hanson have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt the negative influences of Schoenberg and his followers can be overcome.  However there are still a lot of anti-composers who were sucked into the Second Viennese School web of deception and their resulting music is forever ruined.

I feel it is obscene the way intellectuals support ugliness in music and actually claim there is value in it.  Maybe one needs special atonal ears?

I am glad his anti-musical influence is DISAPPEARING from the classical music world as most new compositions are basically tonal, many are quite beautiful and wonderful.  In short music is getting back on track and in time Schoenberg's corrupting influence will be totally gone from the musical scene.

It is not just music that has been attacked by anti-art destroyers, but all forms of art including literature and the visual arts.  The latest manifestations include the offensive Rap music that glorifies murder, rape, and other forms of violence and are laced with vicious curse words.

Great Art


Degenerate Art


Degeneracy applies to music as well, we used to have decency laws.  There is some music that is so degenerate that it should not exist.  Schoenberg's assault against the world of music should be banned, just the same is we ban child pornography, murder and other socially unacceptable behavior.  Why we tolerate this as a society I do not know.  Until such as time we as a society realize real freedom is not the freedom to be degenerate BUT the freedom from degeneracy."

Degenerate anti-art has got to be FIRMLY OPPOSED by everyone everywhere who loves music.  PURE AND SIMPLE.

This article was funny as hell. Thanks I needed a good laugh today. Continue living in your bubble...