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[snyprrr]

Do we have any spectral guitar pieces (for CG)?

Also, I just started looking into flamenco on YT last night. Any flamenco insights from a Modern Classical perspective? I'm aware that Murail's Tellur fulfills (sort of) both topics here, but I'm looking for something else.

Also, I'm wondering about those such like Elliott Sharp (mainly), and Arthur Kampela (to a lesser degree) who do a lot of eight hand slapping, and double handed fret work (I think Sharp uses a steel string though; it's not real to do Van Halen on a CG,... is it ???). This stuff seems very impressive right at first, but then it's like, meh, I don'r HAVE to play like that to impress; if there's something there that I can use, great, but my whole piece isn't going to be just one technique.

I keep asking, Exactly how many distinct percussive sounds/effects can the guitar produce? I'm getting less then 10.

[canninator]

Do we have any spectral guitar pieces (for CG)?

I keep asking, Exactly how many distinct percussive sounds/effects can the guitar produce? I'm getting less then 10.

Tellur is the only one I know of also.

And, dude, are you still whacking your guitar? 

[snyprrr]

Tellur is the only one I know of also.

And, dude, are you still whacking your guitar? 

There's actually some very interesting 'percussive' guitar videos on YT. I think I learned a little. Though there are many ways to make a percussive sound with the guitar, I think from the audiences point of view, just a few easily ID'd thumps and taps and clicks would do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mKh4lWFSeY

It's cheesy, but I can apply this to my piece.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvTFPV6uchs

What do you think of this? It strives for some of the same sounds I'm looking for. The piece itself is ok, but it seems to get a little better towards the end.

[snyprrr]

Nik Didkovsky. Pretty impressive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6tkrwB-QDI

[canninator]

Nik Didkovsky. Pretty impressive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6tkrwB-QDI

Don't care much for the piece but Kevin Gallagher is a pretty good player. His Naxos recital is top draw, beautiful repertoire.

[canninator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvTFPV6uchs

What do you think of this? It strives for some of the same sounds I'm looking for. The piece itself is ok, but it seems to get a little better towards the end.

Like you I'm not overly enamoured of the piece but the timbre of the prepared guitar is good. Certainly possibilities there.

[snyprrr]

THE PREPARED GUITAR: An Overview


What are our options? In the video of Nadir, it says in the comments that the guitarist is using paperclips on the first three strings. I failed in getting mine to stay in the string!

What are your preparations? Any classics?

In a Kampela video, he uses a spoon on the bridge (of a CG) to get a wah-wah effect! It's only on one note at a time, but it's very impressive, like a sick brass plunger.

[Kontrapunctus]

Do we have any spectral guitar pieces (for CG)?

Also, I just started looking into flamenco on YT last night. Any flamenco insights from a Modern Classical perspective? I'm aware that Murail's Tellur fulfills (sort of) both topics here, but I'm looking for something else.

Would Rolf Riehm's Toccata Orpheus count? (I hate it, by the way!)

http://www.youtube.com/v/Fy-0JKaCz9g

[Mirror Image]

Would Rolf Riehm's Toccata Orpheus count? (I hate it, by the way!)

http://www.youtube.com/v/Fy-0JKaCz9g

That's just awful. What garbage.

[ibanezmonster]

Did I mention Vampyr! on this thread?

http://www.youtube.com/v/4kshdlU2hD8
I don't think it's a great piece, but it's probably the only electric guitar spectral piece you'll find.

[Mirror Image]

Did I mention Vampyr! on this thread?

http://www.youtube.com/v/4kshdlU2hD8
I don't think it's a great piece, but it's probably the only electric guitar spectral piece you'll find.

Sounds like mindless noodling.

[Philoctetes]

Would Rolf Riehm's Toccata Orpheus count? (I hate it, by the way!)

http://www.youtube.com/v/Fy-0JKaCz9g

That's wicked. It has a very Eastern like quality to it. Thanks for posting that. 

[canninator]

Would Rolf Riehm's Toccata Orpheus count? (I hate it, by the way!)

http://www.youtube.com/v/Fy-0JKaCz9g

Not my bag. Just buy a drum kit. I would be interested to know if there is an underlying structure whereby the different gestures correspond to a larger musical argument. That would be far more interesting than a purely "hey look at the extended technique I can write for a guitar".

[canninator]

I'm just starting to play Bach 'Prelude, Fugue, and Allegro' BWV 998. Can anyone recommend a preferred transcription for CG. I am starting with Hector Quine's from OUP. I also have Willard for comparison who I have found pretty reliable in the lute suites (well the bits I have played).

[snyprrr]

Would Rolf Riehm's Toccata Orpheus count? (I hate it, by the way!)

http://www.youtube.com/v/Fy-0JKaCz9g

OK, I made it half way through!

I have heard OF Riehm's Lamento di Tristan for 2 guitars, but thank you, you found a video of me practicing, haha!!

I'm sorry, but I loooooves me SOME of this stuff:

1) The Player: his name starts with an 'O'? I've seen his pic on cd covers,... of Norgard?, and one with Donatoni, Lachenmann, and Murail, so, he's certainly 'into' this stuff. Love the fingernails; he seems like a heavy weight good guy to me.

2) The Acoustic: obviously very nice and spacious, but for this piece it's the death knell. Why wouldn't this REQUIRE a tighter acoustic? I mean, just look at all the different sounds he's producing, but HEAR the mush that hits your ears: every sound is turned into what sounds like 5 seconds of reverb. For MY piece, this would be ideal, but not here; so much time wasted practicing when so much is lost in the auditorium.

3) The Approach: obviously the Lachenmann piece is the go to here (I have the original ColLegno; must re-study,... awesome booklet with LOTS of technique photos!). This makes me want to 'place' it,... we have Scelsi, Hespos, Lachenmann, now Riehm, Kampela, Sharp,... I'm going to work up a Post on the History of Avant Guitar, maybe?... I really liked this piece, but of course, 'Accountants Love Accounting', so, of course I'm just 'watching' what he's doing for my own ends, my own purposes, not for any purpose of instilling upon Riehm accolades,... in my view he's just a worker bee like all of us, studying, exploring,... waiting for the true Masterpiece to reveal itself. Here, of course, we seem just to have a string of effects,... was there ONE straight note?,...without, at least, Lachenmann's humor (with the vocalizing),...

Still, I'm going to HAVE to study this,... it seems like a looooot of effort to have so much lost in the ether,... are the different sounds REALLY that different?,... should we just not pretend that EVERY sound is so individual that only a philistine couldn't tell the difference?

Hey, the piece is provocative in at least it forces one to confront the issue of what's...mm... pragmatic?,... and what's just utopian navel gazing...


4) The Length: I really thought something needed to happen at a certain point. Xenakis would usually always switch gears... usually each piece had 7 parts ...mm... it may be going on too long, but hey, it's NOT 20 minutes!!

I'm gonna cut Riehm some slack here. I know there's a whole cd of just his guitar music. Is this the only piece you've heard? Elliott Sharp's acoustic juggernauts can be equally '_____' inducing,... I'm just rambling now, haha ...


EXCELLENT!! Thanks for getting the juice squeezed!

[snyprrr]

I need one of you guys to run some things by in private PM, concerning this guitar piece I'm working on. Please, whoever has time and inclination. Thanks.

[snyprrr]

I need one of you guys to run some things by in private PM, concerning this guitar piece I'm working on. Please, whoever has time and inclination. Thanks.

Just PM me and I'll explain. Thanks again.

[canninator]

Just PM me and I'll explain. Thanks again.

It's Finals at the moment and I'm up to my eyeballs but maybe in a months time. Sorry!

[snyprrr]

It's Finals at the moment and I'm up to my eyeballs but maybe in a months time. Sorry!

Cool,... where's Greg?

Greg?

[snyprrr]

I need a Classical Guitar forum. Anyone? I looked, but wasn't really satisfied with what I found.