Name that piece! The game

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listener

With the racket the chorus in the background is making, I'll suggest one of the IVAN THE TERRIBLE films by Prok., doesn't sound to me like a KING LEAR or HAMLET ending.
"Keep your hand on the throttle and your eye on the rail as you walk through life's pathway."

Brian

It's not Battleship Potemkin is it?

Also, re: the Gothic

Quote from: listener on July 17, 2011, 12:05:33 PMthat was a very well behaved audience.

Thanks :)

Amfortas

Doesn't sound like Prokofiev or Shostakovich to me, but I could wrong and often have been  :P
''Better pass boldly into that other world, in the full glory of some passion, than fade and wither dismally with age.'' - James Joyce (The Dead)

Brian

Quote from: Amfortas on July 18, 2011, 12:24:55 PM
Doesn't sound like Prokofiev or Shostakovich to me, but I could wrong and often have been  :P

It doesn't, really. But I was assuming the Russian thing was a good clue. Who does that leave? Khachaturian? Doesn't sound like him either. Miaskovsky? I think the main theme slightly more Shostakovish (sorry) than Prokofiendish...

Amfortas

Quote from: Brian on July 18, 2011, 12:28:16 PM
It doesn't, really. But I was assuming the Russian thing was a good clue. Who does that leave? Khachaturian? Doesn't sound like him either. Miaskovsky? I think the main theme slightly more Shostakovish (sorry) than Prokofiendish...

Agree it's more like Shostak, but I'm not a Proktologist [sorry  ;D ], though I do love most of what I know

It reminds me a bit of those Russians like Borodin (Polovtsian Dances, for ex)


''Better pass boldly into that other world, in the full glory of some passion, than fade and wither dismally with age.'' - James Joyce (The Dead)

Hattoff

Well done to all, you're all close. The closest is Listener so take it away Listener.

Prokofiev completed four other, practically unknown, film scores during WW2: Tonya, Lermontov, Partisans of the Ukrainian Steppes and Kotovsky. My clip was from the end credits of Kotovsky.

All the films contain some good music, their neglect, considering Prokofiev's popularity, is perverse.

mszczuj

Quote from: Hattoff on July 18, 2011, 11:11:20 PM
My clip was from the end credits of Kotovsky.

In fact it is rather final vision of future battles of hero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0mTJPsmtMA&feature=related  - last minute

Hattoff

Blimey mszczuj, I wasn't expecting that! Great, thanks very much.
Are any other of the films out there?
I have collected all four films from Russia over the years but the youtube Kotovsky is a much better cut than the one I have.
I would like a better cut of Tonya which is probably the only film of the four worth watching for its own sake.

mszczuj

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Quote from: Hattoff on July 19, 2011, 12:18:55 AM
Blimey mszczuj, I wasn't expecting that! Great, thanks very much.

I've just find Kotovsky in Wiki, gone to russian version of it, pasted the name in YouTube. Really nothing, half a minute.

To find Lermontov was not so easy but I did it in the same way using more patience:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpJLD0GTqXs

By the way, there are two composers mentioned in the credits of this movie. The other is V. Pushkov (not present in russian Wiki)

To find Partisans of the Ukrainian Steppes (in fact it should be translated Partisans in the Steppes of Ukraine) I went to russian Wiki, found list  of Prokofiev's works,  pasted the russian title and ...
it is not in You tube except of 15 minutes

But there is a link to download the whole movie below.

So I find the site where are some soviet movies and almost all films with music of Prokofiev!

http://film.arjlover.net/info/poruchik.kizhe.avi.html
http://film.arjlover.net/info/aleksandr.nevskij.avi.html
http://film.arjlover.net/info/lermontov.avi.html
http://film.arjlover.net/info/kotovskij.avi.html
http://film.arjlover.net/info/partizany.v.stepjah.ukrainy.avi.html
http://film.arjlover.net/info/ivan.groznyj.1.avi.html
http://film.arjlover.net/info/ivan.groznyj.2.avi.html

The only exception was "Tonia". But I tried again in YouTube. Well, the title of the movie is Our girls - Tonia is only part of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dajFsuHNEVY

So here is the last avi:

http://film.arjlover.net/info/boevoj.kinosbornik.nashi.devushki.avi.html


Hattoff

mszczuj, you are a genius.

I am as pleased with your finding those films as I am with the Brian, Gothic performance, which is very, very pleased.
The sound quality of Tonia is much better than VHS tape I had so much trouble getting from Russia.

With Lermontov, Prokofiev typically had a row with the director and walked out. Pushkov was brought in to finish the music, he used a rather nice theme of his own and some operetta excerpts.

The other films you found will be useful as well, particulary Lieutenant Kije which was on You Tube but was taken off at the request of Prokofiev's estate.

Thanks again.

mszczuj

Quote from: Hattoff on July 19, 2011, 04:08:21 AM
mszczuj, you are a genius.

No, I just can read russian.

But it is very nice to be useful.

listener

New one in preparation, thanks to Amfortas.
It may be tricky as it was published under a pseudonym.
"Keep your hand on the throttle and your eye on the rail as you walk through life's pathway."

Amfortas

''Better pass boldly into that other world, in the full glory of some passion, than fade and wither dismally with age.'' - James Joyce (The Dead)

Brian

Quote from: Amfortas on July 20, 2011, 10:42:19 AM
Listener's next clip -


http://www.4shared.com/audio/XVeoBgtC/listenersmystery.html


I'm gonna guess the pianist is Dick Hyman.

Or the composer, if the composer is William Bolcom.

J.Z. Herrenberg

Quote from: Hattoff on July 19, 2011, 04:08:21 AM
mszczuj, you are a genius.

I am as pleased with your finding those films as I am with the Brian, Gothic performance, which is very, very pleased.
The sound quality of Tonia is much better than VHS tape I had so much trouble getting from Russia.

With Lermontov, Prokofiev typically had a row with the director and walked out. Pushkov was brought in to finish the music, he used a rather nice theme of his own and some operetta excerpts.

The other films you found will be useful as well, particulary Lieutenant Kije which was on You Tube but was taken off at the request of Prokofiev's estate.

Thanks again.


I am glad for you, Hattoff! I know how you were looking for that Steppes film a few years ago. mszczuj - you're certainly useful!
Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything. -- Plato

listener

Quote from: Brian on July 20, 2011, 02:32:03 PM
I'm gonna guess the pianist is Dick Hyman.

Or the composer, if the composer is William Bolcom.
neither name for either composer or pianist.   The composer has been dead for over a half-century, (pianist is still alive).
"Keep your hand on the throttle and your eye on the rail as you walk through life's pathway."

Hattoff

Thanks Johan. It has been a long road.



mszczuj, you will always be a genius to me.

Hattoff

From what little I know of him, is the composer Arthur Benjamin?

listener

#1258
Not Benjamin, and in fact not really known as a composer.
bringing the clip link forward to save page turning.
http://www.4shared.com/audio/XVeoBgtC/listenersmystery.html
"Keep your hand on the throttle and your eye on the rail as you walk through life's pathway."

Sef

Quote from: listener on July 20, 2011, 04:36:54 PM
neither name for either composer or pianist.   The composer has been dead for over a half-century, (pianist is still alive).
It's not Mrs Mills is it?  ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlqZ_gXdEjc&feature=related
"Do you think that I could have composed what I have composed, do you think that one can write a single note with life in it if one sits there and pities oneself?"