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[MusicTurner]

Well, about Italian Opera, despite many attempts, I have never been particularly interested in Rossini, Bellini, Donizetti, Leoncavallo, Mascagni and Verdi. Their music is not appealing to me, I'm sorry.

I get your point, but have revised my opinion (= the same) somewhat nowadays.

[Mirror Image]

Well, about Italian Opera, despite many attempts, I have never been particularly interested in Rossini, Bellini, Donizetti, Leoncavallo, Mascagni and Verdi. Their music is not appealing to me, I'm sorry.

No love for Mascagni's Cavalleria rusticana? Wow...wait until Cesar (SymphonicAddict) reads this!

[Lisztianwagner]

No love for Mascagni's Cavalleria rusticana? Wow...wait until Cesar (SymphonicAddict) reads this!

Why, does he love it? Anyway, yes, I'm sorry......if I may borrow, and modify, a Nietzsche quotation, for me all the Italian Opera dissolves in front of the first chord of Tristan.

[Mirror Image]

Why, does he love it? Anyway, yes, I'm sorry......if I may borrow, and modify, a Nietzsche quotation, for me all the Italian Opera dissolves in front of the first chord of Tristan.

Yes, Cesar loves it and there's no reason to be sorry. I disagree with that Nietzsche quote, though, not because I dislike Wagner, but because comparing German and Italian opera is like comparing apples with oranges. Anyway, to each their own.

[Lisztianwagner]

Yes, Cesar loves it and there's no reason to be sorry. I disagree with that Nietzsche quote, though, not because I dislike Wagner, but because comparing German and Italian opera is like comparing apples with oranges. Anyway, to each their own.

No, that was how I modified it; Nietzsche said: "All the wonders of the world loose charm in front of the first chord of Tristan".

I have great respect for all those composers anyway.

[Mirror Image]

No, that was how I modified it; Nietzsche said: "All the wonders of the world loose charm in front of the first chord of Tristan".

I have great respect for all those composers anyway.

Well, I still disagree with Nietzsche.

[Jo498]

Nietzsche eventually came to disagree with himself, maybe nor re Tristan but re Wagner because he hated Parsifal and decided that "Carmen" was now his ideal opera.

[Lisztianwagner]

Nietzsche eventually came to disagree with himself, maybe nor re Tristan but re Wagner because he hated Parsifal and decided that "Carmen" was now his ideal opera.

Indeed, but although he disagreed with Wagner's philosophical conception, he never denied the beauty of his music (I mean, of course, the musical writing).

[Symphonic Addict]

Dvorak's Wind Serenade is not that great. 

[Madiel]

Dvorak's Wind Serenade is not that great. 

The public stoning will begin at 11am Saturday. Bring the family.

[Jo498]

Dvorak's Wind Serenade is not that great. 

compared to what? competition is not exactly fierce for woodwind music...

Maybe also UO: That wind serenade is greater than his piano concerto, his first 4 symphonies and his first 8 string quartets... now you can out-unpopular me for complaining about the low bar I set...

[Florestan]

compared to what? competition is not exactly fierce for woodwind music...

The golden age of woodwind music was the Classical Era. Tons of serenades, partitas and wind quintets or octets.

[Florestan]

Dvorak's Wind Serenade is not that great. 

I agree that the Serenade for Strings is better.

[DavidW]

The golden age of woodwind music was the Classical Era. Tons of serenades, partitas and wind quintets or octets.

Yeah someone could be happy with just Mozart's divertimenti and Schubert's octet.  For the life of me I can't even remember Dvorak's wind serenade!  I'll have to give it a fresh listen.

[Jo498]

The golden age of woodwind music was the Classical Era. Tons of serenades, partitas and wind quintets or octets.

More the late classical and early romantic era with Reicha and Danzi. I have at least a dozen CDs of such stuff  because I have a general liking for woodwinds although I rarely listen to them. But nothing except Mozart is as good as the Dvorak wind serenade.

[Karl Henning]

The public stoning will begin at 11am Saturday. Bring the family.

And yet, I cannot help feeling that the thread draws out opinions as advertised. Not sure I'd go so far as to advocate for a "Safe Space," but here, especially, a little "live and let live" is called for, I think.

[Karl Henning]

More the late classical and early romantic era with Reicha and Danzi. I have at least a dozen CDs of such stuff  because I have a general liking for woodwinds although I rarely listen to them. But nothing except Mozart is as good as the Dvorak wind serenade.

I was going to say, if someone really wishes to hear Reicha rather than the Dvořák Opus 44, they can have him!

[Jo498]

I was going to say, if someone really wishes to hear Reicha rather than the Dvořák Opus 44, they can have him!

Reicha ist IMO the best of Krommer, Myslivecek, Danzi, Reicha and whatever else there might be.

There is also a sinfonietta by Raff which is one of his better pieces and in effect more like a wind serenade.
I am a bit annoyed with Brahms that he didn't make one of his serenades winds mainly only, like Mozart or Dvorak (a little bass support is granted )
Smaller scale very nice pieces a bit later are Janacek's Mladi and the Dixtuor by Enescu.

[MusicTurner]

Janacek does indeed come about as a master.
(Mladi, Capriccio, Concertino, Sinfonietta,  etc.)

Carl Nielsen is also a great writer for the wind instruments; the Flute and Clarinet Concertos are a part of a projected series of 5 wind concertos, btw.

[Karl Henning]

Janacek does indeed come about as a master.
(Mladi, Capriccio, Concertino, Sinfonietta,  etc.)

Carl Nielsen is also a great writer for the wind instruments; the Flute and Clarinet Concertos are a part of a projected series of 5 wind concertos, btw.

Yes!