Genesis

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I haven't watched this documentary yet, but I've read some commentary on the 'Steve Hackett Appreciation Society' page on FB that it's quite good:

https://www.youtube.com/v/ft7gE1k2ic0#t=425

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I heard somewhere that only fundamentalists think the first 12 Genesis albums are not a myth

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I heard somewhere that only fundamentalists think the first 12 Genesis albums are not a myth

Ummm...okay?

On a Genesis-related note: I have immensely enjoyed the new remasters of Hackett's first four albums (Voyage of the Acolyte through Defector). It seems more presence has been added and there's greater instrument separation. This is especially beneficial to Voyage of the Acolyte whose sound on the original CD release seemed a bit muffled to me. I think EMI did a great job here. Also, all of the releases have been given packaging and art updates. Cleaner pictures and it's nice EMI left the original artwork intact.

[Karl Henning]

I heard somewhere that only fundamentalists think the first 12 Genesis albums are not a myth

Oh, Noah, now you've undone the floodgates . . . .

[chasmaniac]

Maybe Gabriel's Here Comes the Flood was a bit of biblical exegesis? Surely when we can date the editors we have reached historical times. Supper's Ready though -- that's just a story used to scare children.

[North Star]

Rivers of blood full of frogs, lice, and swarms of flies and locusts sound much more fun than hearing Phil Collins sing.

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Rivers of blood full of frogs, lice, and swarms of flies and locusts sound much more fun than hearing Phil Collins sing.

Actually, I thought Collins did a great job on A Trick of the Tail and Wind & Wuthering. It took a lot of courage for him to come out from behind the drum kit. I remember hearing about how Genesis auditioned a hundred vocalists and still couldn't find anyone and Collins jokingly said "Well, let me give it a go." And that was that. Tony Banks and Mike Rutherford looked at each other and said they found their vocalist.

[Karl Henning]

Rivers of blood full of frogs, lice, and swarms of flies and locusts sound much more fun than hearing Phil Collins sing.

Take a look at me now . . . .

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Well, let me put it this way:  I have yet to hear a song involving Peter Gabriel which I did not find interesting to listen to, even if ultimately I can't say I actually liked it.  Whereas I would be hard pressed to identify a song involving Phil Collins of which I can say the same, even though I like most of the Collins era songs in an easy listening--Andre Rieu sort of way.

But are you forgetting A Trick of the Tail and Wind & Wuthering? Perhaps the greatest the work Collins has ever done. These two albums still had that progressive Genesis feel to them but they seemed to have gotten much tighter as a group prior to Gabriel's leaving. I think A Trick of the Tail was one of the most important recordings the band made because it proved that Genesis didn't have to rely on him any longer. I absolute love, and adore, those Gabriel albums, but I was greatly surprised by how stronger the band got musically even though they lost such an important member. Unfortunately, when Hackett left, I felt that he took a piece of the band with him. Hackett, of course, had no interest in radio play or hit singles, so it was better that he left anyway. ...And Then There Were Three had some good moments, but I think overall it was disappointing and the band went even further into that pop direction, so probably after ...And Then There Were Three is when I tuned them out. Thankfully, Hackett and Gabriel continued to do interesting things.

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For anyone interested, I wrote a rather short review of the Genesis 1970-1975 box set here:

http://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Box-Set-1970-1975-Disc/product-reviews/B001EO2UJK/ref=cm_cr_dp_synop?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending#RM9XZOAVCR5JW

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Seconds Out anyone?
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MI, I have not seen you mention this one and yet it falls right within the time frame of Gabriel's departure from the group and the recording of A Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering.  I've always loved this live album (the film too).  Collins really steps up here imo.

I prefer this excellent live album to Three Sides Live by a wide margin.

[Karl Henning]

For anyone interested, I wrote a rather short review of the Genesis 1970-1975 box set here:

http://www.amazon.com/Genesis-Box-Set-1970-1975-Disc/product-reviews/B001EO2UJK/ref=cm_cr_dp_synop?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending#RM9XZOAVCR5JW

Nice.  I've found all the remixes in the boxes wonderfully vivid.

[Karl Henning]

I prefer this excellent live album to Three Sides Live by a wide margin.

I remember buying Three Sides Live when it was first released, but I do not remember much caring for it . . . .

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Seconds Out anyone?
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MI, I have not seen you mention this one and yet it falls right within the time frame of Gabriel's departure from the group and the recording of A Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering.  I've always loved this live album (the film too).  Collins really steps up here imo.

I prefer this excellent live album to Three Sides Live by a wide margin.

Ah, yes Seconds Out is a fine live album and possibly their greatest as far as live records go. I enjoyed Genesis Live as well (w/ Gabriel). I'd like to see if I can get a recent remaster of this one. I'll probably go ahead and get ...And Then There Were Three and Duke as well as both of these discs contain some proggy moments.

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Nice.  I've found all the remixes in the boxes wonderfully vivid.

Me too! I've read many conflicting reviews before I plunked down the money for the 1970-1975 box set. Some reviewers were praising the new remixes while others were basically condemning Nick Davis. I've done many comparisons with the 'Definitive Remasters' with these new ones and I'm finding myself preferring the new ones. They sound much more alive on these remixes.

[Karl Henning]

Mr Hackett is not pleased.

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Mr Hackett is not pleased.

As he should be. Not only is Hackett's solo career not mentioned, but they didn't mention anything about Anthony Phillips' solo career either. Also, Wind & Wuthering was not even mentioned and this is Banks' favorite Genesis album. For a documentary that leans towards Tony Banks and Mike Rutherford, it's surprising to see that this album received no mention whatsoever. I thought the production was well-done, but the content was seriously lacking.

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I just bought my first Genesis album (second-hand) called 'Selling England by the Pound' recommended to me by someone in a second-hand record shop. Haven't played it yet.

[Karl Henning]

I just bought my first Genesis album (second-hand) called 'Selling England by the Pound' recommended to me by someone in a second-hand record shop. Haven't played it yet.

Curious timing, Jeffrey!  I have just been listening to this in the car yesterday and today (and it must be the first I have listened to the album in, oh, maybe two years).  Will be very interested in your report!

[Karl Henning]

As he should be. Not only is Hackett's solo career not mentioned, but they didn't mention anything about Anthony Phillips' solo career either. Also, Wind & Wuthering was not even mentioned and this is Banks' favorite Genesis album. For a documentary that leans towards Tony Banks and Mike Rutherford, it's surprising to see that this album received no mention whatsoever. I thought the production was well-done, but the content was seriously lacking.

Separately, I am absolutely wowed by the remastering of Selling England by the Pound.