Recordings That You Are Considering

[Florestan]

I'm drooling. Thanks for posting it, on my wishlist and radar it goes. 

[JBS]

I seem to remember someone (probably Jens) mentioning this, but can't remember if it was mentioned for good or for bad.
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[king ubu]

This is why The Netherlands has been "annexed" by German Amazon - it now even has a Dutch language option...
Though unlike Austria, buyers from the Netherlands are not treated on equal footing in relation to shipping costs &  market place sellers that only ship "domestically"....

Q

Same here (only no translation necessary) ... Marketplace has become almost unusable for me, and I guess it may become fully unusable with the recent changes (amazon has to do the VAT thing for Switzerland, just as with OZ, if I remember correctly, but they did change on Jan 1st, smoothly, on the .de, .fr and .it domains, the later two offer free shipping for lower order sums and often are cheaper anyway - I think on .de I get free shipping only if the order is 49€ or more, with .fr/.it it needs to be only 30€ or so, for CDs and books at least, other categories of items may require higher totals to get free shipping).

[Mandryka]

I'm drooling. Thanks for posting it, on my wishlist and radar it goes. 

I want you to listen to the one with Lars Vogt and the Tetzlaffs and tell me what you think.

[Que]

How could I have missed this? 
(I blame Amazon's crappy labeling abilities - though that (oddly enough) varies per Amazon....)

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Anyway... anyone familiar with it? 

Q

[king ubu]

How could I have missed this? 
(I blame Amazon's crappy labeling abilities - though that (oddly enough) varies per Amazon....)

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Anyway... anyone familiar with it? 

Q

No ... but if you check it out, let me know and I'll get me a copy at that evil place that distributes Aeolus (and Outhere, Hyperion, MDG etc.)

[Que]

No ... but if you check it out, let me know and I'll get me a copy at that evil place that distributes Aeolus (and Outhere, Hyperion, MDG etc.)

Sounds like a very, very dangerous place indeed..... namely the place where all the goodies are!! 

Q

PS Two albums with Amarillys Dieltiens I can recommend unreservedly:
https://www.amazon.de/Fare-Nina-Na-Weihnachtsmusik-Ital-Barock/dp/B00FW7P8QW/
https://www.amazon.de/Ohime-Leidenschaft-Mystik-Italien-Barock/dp/B004SRM6EY/

[SurprisedByBeauty]

I seem to remember someone (probably Jens) mentioning this, but can't remember if it was mentioned for good or for bad.

I don't recall mentioning this... although I did mention Meister's Martinu Cycle (speaking of which: I just finished the Martinu Symphony Cycle Discography! and his Dvorak Spectre's Bride. I do think my wife might have sung in the chorus for that Klagende Lied, though... I'll have to ask her.

[San Antone]

I seem to remember someone (probably Jens) mentioning this, but can't remember if it was mentioned for good or for bad.
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There are two versions a very early three part work (the recording you posted) and a heavily revised two part version that Mahler premiered in 1901.  The score for the early version was not discovered until 1969.  Both versions are recorded and performed but I am not sure which version has a stamp of approval, although one might think Mahler wanted the later version to stand.

[JBS]

There are two versions a very early three part work (the recording you posted) and a heavily revised two part version that Mahler premiered in 1901.  The score for the early version was not discovered until 1969.  Both versions are recorded and performed but I am not sure which version has a stamp of approval, although one might think Mahler wanted the later version to stand.

I went ahead and ordered it for 3 reasons
I don't think I have a recording of the early version, just the second version and mashups that pick and choose from both.
It was cheap enough ($15 incl s/h)
And a vague hope that Mrs Jens will get a pfennig or two of residuals/royalties...

[Mandryka]

I'm drooling. Thanks for posting it, on my wishlist and radar it goes. 

If you ever get the chance to hear the one with Lars Vogt and are interested in their approach, then maybe try this from Hecker, Weithaas and Helmchen on Alpha. It's less extreme but still rather fun



A comment from MH in the booklet

We've often heard people saying: you can't play Schubert like that, it's too harsh. But Schubert
composed it exactly like that! When for six pages of the piano score in the first movement's development
section he writes a pp or ppp dynamic for the piano, then he wants something really radical, something
that nobody before him dared to do – nor after him either, for a long time to come. And then this outburst
in the second movement, where within a few bars a triple fortissimo emerges out of nowhere, and it
falls into a total psychosis – that's as outrageous as if somebody today went and attacked a piano with
an axe. You simply can't turn all that into a tuneful, innocuous Schubert, who didn't really mean it. No,
here it's all about something completely existential, about feelings that can't be uttered: it transcends
the spectrum within which one normally operates. You can see that in the composer's manuscript, how
at times it just explodes, then stands still for a long while, like a kind of minimal music – with very little
thematic material, and a simple musical cell as an accompaniment. Or how the last movement goes
round and round in circles, like someone who's imprisoned in a structure, and can't get out.

I like what I've heard of Helmchen very much. There's a completely knockout Trout for example



and there's a stimulating Mozart PC 24 too



here's something he says about 491

While I was working on the C-minor
concerto, there was a moment when I
felt I was learning more about Mozart
than I would have learned through
reading a whole pile of books. My
revered teacher Arie Vardi gave me a
copy of the manuscript to study, and
drew my attention to some peculiar
caricatures of faces, which Mozart had
drawn in the first movement between
the notes. Upon closer observation,
one can see that an attempt he made
to draw a repeat sign probably failed,
leaving it to look rather like a distorted face. So he made a game of it
by also drawing these weird faces in
similar places. In other words, in the
most dark and moving music that one
could ever imagine, he also included
grimaces and pranks. A characteristic of Mozart, which leaves us feeling
totally bewildered, and which we do not come across in such a fashion in
any other composer.

[Mandryka]

[Malx]

I have a gaping hole in my collection where a set of Biber's Mystery Sonatas should sit. I would welcome any recommendations from the knowledgeable posters on the forum as to which recordings to sample and indeed if there are any to avoid.

Thanks in anticipation.
Malx.

[Todd]

I have a gaping hole in my collection where a set of Biber's Mystery Sonatas should sit.

Fix that pronto, I say.  Fortunately, it's not really possible to find a truly bad version of the works.  Of the twenty-five versions I've heard, none made me dislike the music or anything close to it, but they are variable.  One of my least favorite versions (John Hollaway) is preferred by other people.  I happen to find it too slow and solemn.

Relying on sets available readily at Amazon UK, I suggest any of the following, in roughly the order listed:

Daniel Sepec
Alice Pierot
Ariadne Daskalakis
Helene Schmitt

They are all sufficiently different so that you may just want all of them.

[Traverso]

Andrew Manze is my choice.

[prémont]

The Weisse organ might attract me, but I fear that von Promnitz uses so weird registrations that he transforms the listening into an endurance test. 

[Mandryka]

The Weisse organ might attract me, but I fear that von Promnitz uses so weird registrations that he transforms the listening into an endurance test.

Aha, I guess he wants to show off what the organ can do, like in his AoF. Anyway, I'll pass I think.

[Ras]

I have a gaping hole in my collection where a set of Biber's Mystery Sonatas should sit.

I only have Holloway on Virgin, because it was by far the cheapest when I bought it many years ago. I never listen to Biber, so don't take it as a recommendation.

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If you are feeling adventurous there is a new one on the Linn label. :

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I just put on a Biber cd with some trumpet concertos from Hyperion and I was reminded of the reason for my lacking enthusiasm for Biber: he is not in the mature Baroque group of composers that I prefer to earlier Baroque composers. (Biber was born 1644, - I prefer Bach, Handel, Albinoni, Telemann and other Baroque composers born later in the 17th century.)

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[Traverso]

Let me help you with  this example.

https://www.youtube.com/v/ZCSEEvEm3uc

[Jo498]

That most people mean late Baroque (namely the generation born around 1680) when they say Baroque does not mean that the music of ca. 1680 (Biber's maturity) was immature. Baroque started in the early 1600s, so Biber was something like the 2nd or even 3rd generation of Baroque composers. In any case the "Mystery sonatas" and the late Harmonia artificiosa-ariosa are considerably "deeper" works than the table music (mensa sonora) or the sonatas tam aris quam aulis.