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[Karl Henning]

In Contrarian Mode:

Possibly my favorite Schumann disc:

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:-)

[North Star]

In Contrarian Mode:

Possibly my favorite Schumann disc:

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:-)

Well, I like it a great deal.  True, I also like the Schumann original, too; so you mustn't consider the fact that I enjoy Shostakovich's scoring of the piece, any criticism of Schumann.  Specifically, I have no quarrel at all with Schumann's orchestration.  To that extent, I agree that the Shostakovich doesn't add much;  it is truly a gratuitous exercise of creativity.  (I have not penetrated the fog of just why Slava made the request.) — but of course, I think that Mozart adding clarinets to Messiah is something gratutous, too.

Still foggy, Karl?
Are there any changes that are more obvious than others? That Ivashkin recording is in Spotify, might give it a click later.

[Karl Henning]

Should check my sources, as (yes) I am still in a fog as to why Slava requested the re-scoring.

If you check it out, let me what you think, Karlo!

[North Star]

Should check my sources, as (yes) I am still in a fog as to why Slava requested the re-scoring.

If you check it out, let me what you think, Karlo!

Certainly!
Intertubes don't seem to know too much about this arrangement, either - this is just about the closest thing to information I found...

Schumann's thick, awkward scoring of the orchestral accompaniment to his cello concerto always was a problem. Shostakovich cleared away all the doublings, shoved the woodwinds into the foreground and made much of the scoring sound as hard, bright and tangy as his own music.

[jlaurson]

I'm having a bit of trouble finding a CD of this; do you happen to know if there is one still in print?  I see her DICHTERLIEBE with Reimann is in that ICON collection.  I have really liked what little Fassbaender I've heard, including her menacing Kurt Weill, though I guess that's a different game than Schumann.  Of course, you mentioned venomous irony, and that might very well overlap, there.  I heard her WINTERREISE w/Reimann not long ago and was really struck by it.

Not my recommendation, mind you, but happy to help:



R. Schumann + F.Mendelssohn-B.
Dichterliebe
Brigitte Fassbaender / A.Reimann
EMI
German link - UK link

Originally coupled on LP with Schoenberg's Hanging Gardens.

[Mandryka]

Sorry, my bad, I meant the record witn Reimann. I just played it on the drive home, I stick by all I said about it in fact. Reimann is an extrordinary pianist, by the way.

[Sadko]

Re dichterliebe, there's a classic recording by Wunderlich and Gielen and it's still very good but

1. there are deeper performances. With Wunderlich the text's sung fine and it's musically beautiful, but I don't think he gets to the very depths of meaning of the poem.

2. Gielen is a bit reserved. In fact I would go further -- he's wishy washy, flat, slick.

If you want really biting irony then go to Fassbaender / Reiman (EMI). I think this is probably her best lieder recording, maybe her best recording full stop. Her venomous timbre is really beautiful here and the expression is totally inspired. Rieman's piano playing is miraculous.

For a more light and playful and simple performance there's Gerhaher / Huber (RCA). I'm not always a fan of Gerhaher, but this is his most successful lieder disc that I've heard

if you want a lyric tenor then I think Vinogradov, Munteneau and Bostridge with Drake are very good -- I prefer their recordings to Wunderlich's in fact, for the reasons stated.

The great shame is that Kirchschlager hasn't recorded it yet -- her Schumann recordings are quite simply out of this world.

Also Dorliac and Richter -- an acquired taste maybe

I agree about Hubert Giesen's not very interesting playing.

And I like Dorliac and Richter very much too.

And Fassbaender in romantic song repertoire never fails to interest me.

[Dancing Divertimentian]

Even after marking the entire forum as read many times, this post from Mandryka (look above) keeps showing as new.

Same here.

Paso doble

I think that might be because Mandryka keeps editing his post. Every edit = "unread" status.

[TheGSMoeller]

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Music from the lesser known, American cousin, Steve Shostakovich.

[Octave]

Music from the lesser known, American cousin, Steve Shostakovich.

[Mirror Image]

John Zorn! HA!

[springrite]

John Zorn! HA!

Cousin of the former Seahawks quarterback Jim Zorn?

[Mirror Image]

Cousin of the former Seahawks quarterback Jim Zorn?

I'm not sure, Paul. Possibly. Is Jim Zorn Jewish?

Edit: No, there's no way this is possible considering that John Zorn is an East Coaster and Jim Zorn lived on the West Coast all of his life. Got to love Wikipedia for some quick research.

[Octave]

I'm not sure, Paul. Possibly. Is Jim Zorn Jewish?

Edit: No, there's no way this is possible considering that John Zorn is an East Coaster and Jim Zorn lived on the West Coast all of his life. Got to love Wikipedia for some quick research.

There at least were Zorns [of John's family] in Oregon at one point; Zorn lived in Eugene, Oregon for a while  (with his brother?) when he was perhaps ~19 or so.  And in California just before or after for a while too, though I cannot remember where.  That would be a weird connection: pro football and ersatz NY avant-garde.

[Mirror Image]

There at least were Zorns [of John's family] in Oregon at one point; Zorn lived in Eugene, Oregon for a while  (with his brother?) when he was perhaps ~19 or so.  And in California just before or after for a while too, though I cannot remember where.  That would be a weird connection: pro football and ersatz NY avant-garde.

I suppose anything is possible.

[Opus106]

I think that might be because Mandryka keeps editing his post. Every edit = "unread" status.

I'm fairly sure that editing a post doesn't make one as 'unread'; although I could be wrong. Deleting and re-posting certainly does that, so I checked the post time, but it hadn't changed.

[Octave]

Thinking of getting this Brilliant collection; I have vague memories of seeing it dicussed at GMG a while back:

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The three discs of Albeniz by Esteban Sanchez are also available from Brilliant as their own 3cd set; I heard a solid recommendation for those recently too, though I cannot remember where.  Curious if the other material in the 6cd above (with two discs of Falla by Benita Meshulam, and one disc of Granados' "Goyescas" and "El Pele" by Cristina Ortiz) is worth the extra outlay.

I'd also like to get deeper into Mussorgsky; of course I need to spend more time at the composer thread, but I'm interested in this:
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Also interested in this Youri Egorov collection; there was a little GMG discussion of him around the time this box came out, several years ago; I heard an OOP Schubert disc by him (Channel Classics) that seemed very fine to me.  Someone also praised his Schumann "Davidsbundlertanze" in passing, recently. 
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[Octave]

This 4cd "rush box" from Naive is of interest to me, but I am having a little trouble making certain what's in the box and how good it is.



RUSSIAN SOUL [L'AME RUSSE] (Naive, 4cd, 2011)
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/search.php?searchString=russian+soul+naive

There were no contents listings at Amazon US or Arkiv; the Presto link above gives the compositions, but I am still not 100% about who plays what.  I think I probably already have Sokolov's solo piano contributions as part of that Naive 10cd box.  I think the Shost vln ctos are Sergey Khachatryan, who I have heard is good money.

[North Star]

This 4cd "rush box" from Naive is of interest to me, but I am having a little trouble making certain what's in the box and how good it is.



RUSSIAN SOUL [L'AME RUSSE] (Naive, 4cd, 2011)
http://www.prestoclassical.co.uk/search.php?searchString=russian+soul+naive

There were no contents listings at Amazon US or Arkiv; the Presto link above gives the compositions, but I am still not 100% about who plays what.  I think I probably already have Sokolov's solo piano contributions as part of that Naive 10cd box.  I think the Shost vln ctos are Sergey Khachatryan, who I have heard is good money.

This is the Sokolov disc:
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Others include Sokhiev & Toulouse's awesome recordings of Pictures at an Exhibition and Tchaikovsky 4th, Khachatryan & Masur's Shostakovich Violin Concertos, And Sonia Wieder-Atherton & Laurent Cabasso in Prokofiev's and Shostakovich's cello sonatas. I like all of them very much indeed.
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[Octave]

Thanks, North Star!