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[kishnevi]

Another, alas limited, PI option (only 3 sonatas, plus K403 as completed by Stadler)
[asin]B0009X6ZS4[/asin]

And cheaper than dirt on Amazon US.

[jlaurson]

Another, alas limited, PI option (only 3 sonatas, plus K403 as completed by Stadler)


And cheaper than dirt on Amazon US.

I like that release. Not as much as I like Manze's concertos (my favorite PI), but almost.
And my favorite (not complete) disc of Mozart Piano Sonatas w/Violin is my "2nd" favorite disc of 2005: http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2005/12/best-recordings-of-2005.html (Uchida/Steinberg)
Recently listened to older recordings with a violinist friend who plays them a lot... and we loved, uhm. Darnit. Was it Schnabel Szigeti? Szeryng? No. Now I've forgotten. Well, will remember/ask and come back.
I suppose this goes to say what many others have said: It's really easy in these works to be non-ideological about PI or not.

[king ubu]

I only know (of) K 481 by Schnabel/Szigeti, a live recording from 1948 also including the Spring and Op. 96 sonatas by Beethoven.

[jlaurson]

Recently listened to older recordings with a violinist friend who plays them a lot... and we loved, uhm. Darnit. Was it Schnabel Szigeti? Szeryng? No. Now I've forgotten. Well, will remember/ask and come back.
I suppose this goes to say what many others have said: It's really easy in these works to be non-ideological about PI or not.

I only know (of) K 481 by Schnabel/Szigeti, a live recording from 1948 also including the Spring and Op. 96 sonatas by Beethoven.

There is also SzeryngSzigeti/Horszowski (+Solti). Indeed a whole set. But I meant the one with Schnabel.

http://www.youtube.com/v/8q2c-12zYw0

Darnit, how does the YouTube linking work... brb. with a fix.

[Mandryka]

There is also Szeryng/Horszowski (+Solti). Indeed a whole set. But I meant the one with Schnabel.

http://www.youtube.com/v/8q2c-12zYw0

Darnit, how does the YouTube linking work... brb. with a fix.

Schnabel's very good in it.

[Mandryka]

There is also Szeryng/Horszowski (+Solti).

And a K 304 with Szigeti and Horszowski where Szigeti is in good form.

[king ubu]

There is also Szeryng/Horszowski (+Solti). Indeed a whole set. But I meant the one with Schnabel.

Now you're confusing me ... Szeryng/Horszowski, or rather (as the one you link) Szigeti/Horszowski? That one was mentioned by Florestan and then again by yours truly - definitely a set worth getting if you're into historical recordings of Mozart's violin sonatas!

As for Szell, there's a disc of sonatas (K 296, K 301, K 304, K 376) with Rafael Druian - part of this fine Szell set:

[jlaurson]

There is also SzeryngSzigeti/Horszowski (+Solti). Indeed a whole set. But I meant the one with Schnabel.

http://www.youtube.com/v/8q2c-12zYw0

Darnit, how does the YouTube linking work... brb. with a fix.

[Mandryka]

[Florestan]

Now you're confusing me ... Szeryng/Horszowski, or rather (as the one you link) Szigeti/Horszowski? That one was mentioned by Florestan and then again by yours truly - definitely a set worth getting if you're into historical recordings of Mozart's violin sonatas!

I think he meant Szigeti / Horszowski. Szeryng's partner was Ingrid Haebler --- a set which is also very good. BTW, I strongly recommend Haebler's piano sonatas cycle. Actually, female pianists are consistently good in this music: Kraus, Haebler, Uchida, Pires. 

[prémont]

It is difficult to know, whether the works on this CD are played in the original version or actually are modern arrangements of organ works for ensemble. As far as I know only organ music have survived from his pen, so I tend to think the latter.

From Presto's website:

Heinrich Scheidemann (1596-1663), student and follower of Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck, was organist at St. Catherine's Church in Hamburg from 1629 until his death. Mere traces of his music have survived in manuscript form that were transcribed from performances. A reason for Scheidemann's oeuvre being nearly forgotten may be the high technical standard required for the execution of his music. Due to his talent for improvisation, Scheidemann wrote very virtuosic compositions emerging from various musical works in which seriousness and exuberance play side by side. The improviser's demeanour can be felt in every note of these compositions. For contemporary musicians dealing with early music, a composition merely represented a framework upon which the musicians could improvise. In order to appreciate Scheidemann's masterpieces of diminution and improvisation, William Dongois and Le Concert Brisé presents a programme with adaptations of his works on the present CD. The arrangement became a rewriting but one in which the basic form and intention of the original was never discarded.

[Florestan]

A reason for Scheidemann's oeuvre being nearly forgotten may be the high technical standard required for the execution of his music. [/i]

The very same can be said of much Romantic piano music... 

[Mandryka]

It is difficult to know, whether the works on this CD are played in the original version or actually are modern arrangements of organ works for ensemble. As far as I know only organ music have survived from his pen, so I tend to think the latter.

From Presto's website:

Heinrich Scheidemann (1596-1663), student and follower of Jan Pieterszoon Sweelinck, was organist at St. Catherine's Church in Hamburg from 1629 until his death. Mere traces of his music have survived in manuscript form that were transcribed from performances. A reason for Scheidemann's oeuvre being nearly forgotten may be the high technical standard required for the execution of his music. Due to his talent for improvisation, Scheidemann wrote very virtuosic compositions emerging from various musical works in which seriousness and exuberance play side by side. The improviser's demeanour can be felt in every note of these compositions. For contemporary musicians dealing with early music, a composition merely represented a framework upon which the musicians could improvise. In order to appreciate Scheidemann's masterpieces of diminution and improvisation, William Dongois and Le Concert Brisé presents a programme with adaptations of his works on the present CD. The arrangement became a rewriting but one in which the basic form and intention of the original was never discarded.

I found it on qobuz which I subscribe to. My impression is that they are transcriptions for small ensembles - organ and cornet, for example, or sometimes larger ensembles - cornet, recorder, violin, organ. Straightforward transcriptions, no Klangfarbenmelodie or anything like that. All sounded pretty stylish to me. Most of the music is motets.

I just listened carefully to one chosen at random, Benedicam domino - I thought what they did was more exuberant  than serious, and colourful obviously. You lose a sort of grandeur which an organ solo has, I'm not sure what you gain, but it certainly was not unpleasant.


Again we come back to temperament. Leonhardt recorded Benedicam domino on an organ, I forget which one, but I bet it's not tuned equally, because harmonically it's so much more interesting than the chamber performance. In fact it's more interesting in every way, even if it is less polychrome. 

[prémont]

I found it on qobuz which I subscribe to. My impression is that they are transcriptions for small ensembles - organ and cornet, for example, or sometimes larger ensembles - cornet, recorder, violin, organ. Straightforward transcriptions, no Klangfarbenmelodie or anything like that. All sounded pretty stylish to me. Most of the music is motets.

I just listened carefully to one chosen at random, Benedicam domino - I thought what they did was more exuberant  than serious, and colourful obviously. You lose a sort of grandeur which an organ solo has, I'm not sure what you gain, but it certainly was not unpleasant.


Again we come back to temperament. Leonhardt recorded Benedicam domino on an organ, I forget which one, but I bet it's not tuned equally, because harmonically it's so much more interesting than the chamber performance. In fact it's more interesting in every way, even if it is less polychrome.

Thanks for this useful elaboration, which has given me a clear idea of what it is about.

Summa summarum: I think I shall stay with the organ versions.

[king ubu]

I think he meant Szigeti / Horszowski. Szeryng's partner was Ingrid Haebler --- a set which is also very good. BTW, I strongly recommend Haebler's piano sonatas cycle. Actually, female pianists are consistently good in this music: Kraus, Haebler, Uchida, Pires. 

I guess so - just wanted to make sure I don't miss out on any hidden secret 

Re: Haebler, Mozart's piano sonatas - there seem to be at least two cycles, one from the sixties and one from the eighties/nineties - neither is around a budget price, so just jumping ahead isn't really an option ...

[Mandryka]

[GioCar]

[Mandryka]

Discussion here

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,2376.msg875854.html#msg875854.

I wonder of que has heard Tasini yet.

I'll just mention here that there's a new recording of C Merulo's masses on Brilliant, organ played by Frederico del Sordo. And a very good organ too (forget the details.)

[Que]

Great set, at least I think.  Read up on the Tasini set (Tactus) as an alternative choice in the discussion Mandryka linked.

Discussion here

http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,2376.msg875854.html#msg875854.

I wonder of que has heard Tasini yet.

I'll just mention here that there's a new recording of C Merulo's masses on Brilliant, organ played by Frederico del Sordo. And a very good organ too (forget the details.)

Not more than a bit of sampling , I'm  afraid.... Though that didn't immediately convince me of the superiority of Tasini's approach.
But in organ music it is hard to judge from relatively short samples.

Q

[prémont]

The Molardi set is more complete than the Tasini set, as is includes all the canzoni.

Concerning the toccatas of book I, I much prefer Tasinis first recording, played on an organpositive.

http://www.amazon.de/Claudio-Merulo-1533-1604-dintavolatura-Orgel-Toccaten/dp/B00007FP8D/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1462624520&sr=1-2&keywords=merulo+tasini

Generally I prefer Tasini's somewhat reflective view to Molardi's a bit manic view.

But if one is seriously interested in the music, one must own both.