1950 to 2000

[Mirror Image]

You aren't sure about anything, and you don't know anything - in fact, I can't believe I'm wasting my time talking to you if it weren't for the bit of finger exercise. You were even oblivious to the triple orchestra set-up, claiming it was only a double. But go ahead and name me a single masterwork prior to Gruppen that realizes what it does.

It wouldn't matter if his orchestra configuration was for ten orchestras, he's still not an innovator in this regard and the fact that you continue to believe he was only shows your inability to reason and simply back down. You're wrong and will continue to be wrong, so let's move on.

[Ken B]

Probably true, he had 2 female companions who lived with him till his death and they are now running the Stockhausen Foundation. He was 6 feet 6 inches, and was probably hung like a horse  ..

They were just after his reuben sandwiches.

[kishnevi]

You aren't sure about anything, and you don't know anything - in fact, I can't believe I'm wasting my time talking to you if it weren't for the bit of finger exercise. You were even oblivious to the triple orchestra set-up, claiming it was only a double. But go ahead and name me a single masterwork prior to Gruppen that realizes what it does.

The fallacy there is of course the idea that a piece of music which does what Gruppen does is a "masterwork". 

Folks, always remember to check your premises.

[Mirror Image]

Gruppen is a bonafide masterwork, one of the greatest orchestral works of the 20th century, re-inventing the symphony orchestra .. and this is what matters, that the intention, realization & logic are perfectly in face, at the highest level .. new doors are opened.

And do you know why ladies and gentlemen that this is so? Because James said so! That's why!

[some guy]

Beatriz Ferreyra ~ Demeures aquatiques (1967)

https://www.youtube.com/v/7vNR7fC0qfY

One very cool composer and a dear, dear person and a keen intellect.

http://asymmetrymusicmagazine.com/interviews/ferreyra.shtml

[Ken B]

Gruppen is a bonafide masterwork, one of the greatest orchestral works of the 20th century, re-inventing the symphony orchestra .. and this is what matters, that the intention, realization & logic are perfectly in face, at the highest level .. new doors are opened.

Hmmmm. Where have I heard that before?

[Mirror Image]

Hmmmm. Where have I heard that before?

Good question.

[some guy]

Her music is not easy to find.  This site seems to be the best place.

Yeah, forget about brick and mortar stores for most of this stuff, really.

Websites only. She's got one, but it's had some consistency issues. Metamkine should have her stuff, too.

She hasn't released very many CDs. Four maybe?

I'll get after her to rectify that. But then she starts in on me not making my photographs widely available or getting my first novel published. People are so pushy, eh?

[Ken B]

Ernst Krenek ~ Concerto per organo e orchestra n.2, op.235 (1982)

https://www.youtube.com/v/qgg0XYxuhYM

Krenek is the only tolerably famous composer I have met.

[Archaic Torso of Apollo]

Luciano Berio - Concerto for Two Pianos (1973)

A great piece. Doesn't seem to be that well known, but it might be one of my favorite Berios. I recently got the original LP issue with Allelujah II and Nones. Would love to hear this concerto live.

[Mirror Image]

Henri Dutilleux - The Shadows of Time (1997)

http://www.youtube.com/v/9ci5E-BCxSQ

An absolutely mesmerizing work from start to finish.

Some technical information:

The Shadows of Time

Cinq épisodes pour orchestre (avec trois voix d'enfants) (1997)

Commissioned by the Boston Symphony Orchestra

dedicated to Seiji Ozawa

I Les heures - II Ariel maléfique - III Mémoire des ombres · Interlude - IV Vagues de lumière - V
Dominante bleue?

Orchestra instrumentation: 4 (3. u. 4. auch Picc.) · 3 · Engl. Hr. · Es-Klar. · 2 · Bassklar. · 3 · Kfg. - 4 ·
4 · 3 · 1 - P. S. (Glsp. · Vibr. · Marimba · Trgl. · 2 hg. Beck. · Crot. · chin. Gong [h.] · 2 Tamt. [m./t.] ·
3 Tomt. [h./m./t.] · kl. Tr. · Wood Chimes · Tempelbl. · Peitsche) (3 Spieler) - Hfe. · Cel. - Str.

22' 0''

Premiere: October 9, 1997 Boston, MA, Symphony Hall (USA) · Conductor: Seiji Ozawa · Boston Symphony
Orchestra

[ibanezmonster]

Pierre Jodlowski ~ Dialog/No Dialog (1997)

That was pretty cool.

[cjvinthechair]

A particularly rewarding 'catch up' on recent pages, thank you, with the Frankel, Norholm, Dutilleux & Ruzicka pieces all ones I shall want to hear in full !
Much appreciated.

[EigenUser]

Sanantonio,
Do you know of any other works by Maurice Ohana similar to the 2nd Cello Concerto "In Dark and Blue" that you posted a while back? I'm totally hooked on this piece. The opening passages are especially sublime -- rich and colorful. I'm afraid to go further into the work of a seemingly obscure composer because I don't want to be totally put-off by something I might not like, hence why I am asking for guidance.

[petrarch]

Here is the Maurice Ohana Channel on YouTube; there are over 150 video clips.  If you click in the drop down menu under Playlists, all of them are loaded into a player.

Thanks for this. Enjoyed his Llanto again, a work I listened many times when I was 7 or 8 years old.

[torut]

Ake Pamerud - String quartet (1988)

This is very good, thank you. I found at his web site that there is a "traditional" string quartetquintet without electronics. He allows downloading mp3 file (160kbps.) Also, pdf files of the score are available.
Åke Parmerud: String quintet #1  (2008)

[EDIT] It is quintet, not quartet.

[torut]

Sonia Bo - Umbram per ogano (2000)
http://www.youtube.com/v/_J3WT2XTwac

Sonia Bo - Di pece di stelle pungenti, for flute and piano (2000)
by Federica Lotti, Mauro Castellano

http://www.amazon.com/Sonia-Bo-Sonori-Contemporary-classical/dp/B007RF2FAE/
(available only for download)

I liked her music below very much, which was introduced in only new thread, and keep playing it repeatedly.
I could find only a short album shown above. There are some other youtube clips of her works with voice, but I want to hear her instrumental works (orchestral, chamber.) Does anyone know if recordings of her works are available?


Sonia Bo - Frame Toccata, omaggio a Claudio Merulo, per ensemble (2009)
Flauto in sol, Clarinetto basso, Violino, Violoncello, Pianoforte, alto flute, bass clarinet, violin, cello, piano
http://www.youtube.com/v/fv94Tew--yc

[torut]

That was originally posted here. Is Philoctetes Philo? I appreciate the post.

For the morning: Sonia Bo

Sonia Bo studied with Azio Corghi and Renato Dionisi at the Conservatorio Giuseppe Verdi in Milan, then completed her postgraduate studies in composition with Franco Donatoni at the Accademia Nazionale di Santa Cecilia in Rome in 1988. Franco Donatoni is a composer I am interested in, because I saw high praises of him in GMG forum. I am listening to this now. It is very good. Maria Grazia Bellocchio is the pianist of Donatoni/Gorli album on Stradivarius which was highly recommended in Donatoni thread.

Franco Donatoni - Françoise Variationen (1983-1996)
played by Maria Grazia Bellocchio
performed in Milan at the Museo del Novecento on January 19, 2014
http://www.youtube.com/v/EUzrJ36XP2E

[torut]

Darmstadt Aural Documents, Box 1: Composers –Conducting Their Own Work
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This is a good document of Darmstadt International Summer Courses, including works composed during 1944 - 2002. Each performance was conducted by the composer of the work.  I like Maderna's concertos, Finnissy's Piano Concerto No.3, and there are many interesting works.

Introductory speech by Earle Brown
Brown: Available Forms I for chamber ensemble (1961)
Leibowitz: Kammersymphonie für zwölf Instrumente op. 16 (1946–1948)
Fortner: Mitte des Lebens (1951)
Krenek: Cantata for Wartime, Op. 95 (1944)
Maderna: Concerto per pianoforte e orchestra (1959)
Stockhausen: Kreuzspiel, Work No. 1/7: Stage III (1951)
Otte: Tasso concetti (1960)
Pousseur: Répons pour sept musiciens (1960)
Maderna: Konzert Nr. 1 für Oboe und Kammerensemble (1962-1963)
Kagel: Sonant (1960)
Maderna: Dimensioni IV (1964)
Boulez: Doubles (1957–1958)
Brün: Sonoriferous Loops op. 32 (1965)
Mihály: Drei Sätze für Kammerensemble (1968)
Maderna: Konzert Nr. 2 für Oboe und Orchester (1967)
Kagel: 1898 for chamber ensemble (1972–1973)
Stiebler: Continuo (1974)
Trojahn: Kammerkonzert (1973)
Cârneci: The Mado Songs (1988)
Platz: from fear of thunder, dreams... (1987)
Finnissy: Piano Concerto No. 3 (1978)
Furrer: à un moment de terre perdu (1990)
Kagel: Orchestrion-Straat (1995-1996)
Kalitzke: Cruxification II (1999)
Müller-Hornbach: innere Spuren (2002)

[some guy]

Sweet!!

I've been waiting for this one for years.

Decades.

Good on neos for finally coming through.

[Edit: Just went on the Neos site. This release is from 2010. Wow. I need to keep up.]