Brahms sucks. Who should take his place in the 3 Bs?

Started by The Six, August 19, 2013, 08:51:44 PM

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The replacement B should be?

von Bingen
Bax
Bartok
Berlioz
Bruckner
Berg
Barber

The Six

That scoundrel Brahms has unfairly claimed this spot for long enough. To think that such mousy obsequiousness could stand beside Bach, the father of music, and Beethoven, the incarnation! It annoys me that this self-inflated mediocrity is hailed as a genius, and it is time for a true composer to take his place.

We must decide!

The new erato

This is a typical case where Banana should have been included.

springrite

First of all, I would never take Brahms off the list.

Secondly, where is Britten? How about Brian? Ha!

Thirdly, Bingen is not a name, but a place! Hildegard of Bingen!
Do what I must do, and let what must happen happen.

The new erato

Quote from: springrite on August 19, 2013, 10:58:08 PM
First of all, I would never take Brahms off the list.
Neither would I unless there was a Banana option.

david johnson



Karl Henning

In fact, when the phrase was first coined, Berlioz was (hat tip to Carol Reed) The Third B.  Hans von Bülow swapped Brahms in for Louis-Hector, the chauvinistic swine  ???    ;)    8)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Anyway, the premise of this thread is all wrong.  Brahms rawks!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

springrite

Quote from: karlhenning on August 20, 2013, 03:47:18 AM
Anyway, the premise of this thread is all wrong.  Brahms rawks!

In fact, Brahm's name comes in third only because it is alphabetically listed.
Do what I must do, and let what must happen happen.

North Star

Quote from: karlhenning on August 20, 2013, 03:46:26 AM
In fact, when the phrase was first coined, Berlioz was (hat tip to Carol Reed) The Third B.  Hans von Bülow swapped Brahms in for Louis-Hector, the chauvinistic swine  ???    ;)    8)
The only reason why I voted, and voted for Berlioz. I of course agree: Brahms does rawk.
But, I must point out that among the replacement for the "self-inflated mediocrity", is none other than Arnold Bax.
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

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North Star

Quote from: springrite on August 20, 2013, 03:50:01 AM
In fact, Brahm's name comes in third only because it is alphabetically listed.
Or perhaps chronologically. (same goes for the Berlioz version, too...)
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

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DavidW

Composers forgotten: Bellini, Bizet, Britten.

von Bingen lol... name fail! :D

I still would vote and did vote for Bartok, though Brahms more than earned his place in the holy trinity. 0:)

DavidW

Quote from: North Star on August 20, 2013, 03:54:24 AM
The only reason why I voted, and voted for Berlioz. I of course agree: Brahms does rawk.
But, I must point out that among the replacement for the "self-inflated mediocrity", is none other than Arnold Bax.

I like Bax but agree that he has no place on this poll.

Karl Henning

Quote from: The new erato on August 19, 2013, 10:51:30 PM
This is a typical case where Banana should have been included.

This is true.

Quote from: North Star on August 20, 2013, 03:54:24 AM
The only reason why I voted, and voted for Berlioz. I of course agree: Brahms does rawk.

Aye, though I'm not sure I could sit through an all-Brahms orchestral program.  (Chamber music, all right, methinks.)

Quote from: DavidW on August 20, 2013, 03:58:23 AM
I like Bax but agree that he has no place on this poll.

Word.  We all of us love some (or indeed, many) lesser-known composers;  it doesn't really serve them to pretend that they belong in the very topmost tier.  (I think it entirely right to resist the notion that only the topmost tier is worth listening to, of course.)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

North Star

Quote from: karlhenning on August 20, 2013, 04:04:13 AM
Aye, though I'm not sure I could sit through an all-Brahms orchestral program.  (Chamber music, all right, methinks.)
Not an ideal program, for sure, but I think I could survive the 2nd PC coupled with one of the symphonies.

Quote from: DavidW on August 20, 2013, 03:58:23 AM
I like Bax but agree that he has no place on this poll.
Especially with Britten, Busoni, Byrd, Borodin, and Boulez missing.
"Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it." - Confucius

My photographs on Flickr

kyjo

Bruckner, for sure. I'm a little dismayed not to see Braga Santos up there, though! ;)

Brahmsian

The only thing Brahms sucks was cigars.

He is among my 3 co-favourite composers (Brahms, Beethoven and Shostakovich).

The Six

Quote from: The new erato on August 19, 2013, 10:51:30 PM
This is a typical case where Banana should have been included.

A banana is delicious, but not a composer, and that joke has been played out, just like the music of that giftless Brahms. I could eat a banana, but anyone who could swallow the B-flat Piano Concerto with appetite can calmly await a famine; he could also get along splendidly on the nutrtitive equivalent of window glass and cork stoppers.

Karl Henning

(* picks his way through the Valley of Over-wrought Puns *)   8)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Brahmsian

Quote from: The Six on August 20, 2013, 06:44:15 AM
A banana is delicious, but not a composer, and that joke has been played out, just like the music of that giftless Brahms.

Oh my, I am sorry you think of Brahms as giftless.  :(

Well, to each their own.  Not everyone likes the same composers or same works.  Otherwise, life would be pretty boring if we all liked the same things!

Are their some works by Brahms that you do enjoy?  :)