Schoenberg's Sheen

[Symphonic Addict]

I'm listening to the endlessly captivating Chamber Symphony No. 1 as performed by Inbal and the FRSO (Frankfurt) and, at the same time, I'm feeling a connection with some really attractive composers like Brahms, Berg, Wagner, Scriabin, even Langgaard on his contrapuntist variation of the 6th Symphony. Joke aside, there is no a bad 6th.

[Mirror Image]

I'm listening to the endlessly captivating Chamber Symphony No. 1 as performed by Inbal and the FRSO (Frankfurt) and, at the same time, I'm feeling a connection with some really attractive composers like Brahms, Berg, Wagner, Scriabin, even Langgaard on his contrapuntist variation of the 6th Symphony. Joke aside, there is no a bad 6th.

Kammersymphonie Nr. 1 is a dynamite piece, Cesar. Love it!

[Mandryka]

Very interesting op 19 here.

[staxomega]

Thanks, that will give me a chance to hear it. Why do you say it's flac by the way?

So what do you think of Arditti in the String Trio? Regarding the string quartets I find Schoenberg Quartet a bit soft edged. Arditti in comparison is like seeing the music unfold in front of me with no hindrances.

[Mandryka]

So what do you think of Arditti in the String Trio? Regarding the string quartets I find Schoenberg Quartet a bit soft edged. Arditti in comparison is like seeing the music unfold in front of me with no hindrances.

The Arditti trio has been a pleasure to hear, despite the very bad sound.  It is both virtuosic and spiritual. I've been listening to a few things by Schoenberg recently - op 19 from Thomas Larcher, the Arditti in SQ3 and in the trio. What has struck me is what a wonderful melodist Schoenberg was.

I got an email today from someone promising to let me have a better transfer of the Arditti trio - 256 kbps mp3. So while things aren't perfect, they're looking up.

[staxomega]

The Arditti trio has been a pleasure to hear, despite the very bad sound.  It is both virtuosic and spiritual. I've been listening to a few things by Schoenberg recently - op 19 from Thomas Larcher, the Arditti in SQ3 and in the trio. What has struck me is what a wonderful melodist Schoenberg was.

I got an email today from someone promising to let me have a better transfer of the Arditti trio - 256 kbps mp3. So while things aren't perfect, they're looking up.

Let me know if you want it in FLAC. The recording quality sounds excellent to me, basically like any other digitally recorded chamber music from Auvidis.

What performances do people like of the Wind Quintet? I only have a single one with members from the London Sinfonietta.

[Karl Henning]

Let me know if you want it in FLAC. The recording quality sounds excellent to me, basically like any other digitally recorded chamber music from Auvidis.

What performances do people like of the Wind Quintet? I only have a single one with members from the London Sinfonietta.

I like the one directed by Bob Craft, on Naxos.

[Mandryka]

Let me know if you want it in FLAC. The recording quality sounds excellent to me, basically like any other digitally recorded chamber music from Auvidis.

What performances do people like of the Wind Quintet? I only have a single one with members from the London Sinfonietta.

Yes please!

[Symphonic Addict]

Cases where you don't feel comfortable at first, and although there is a process to get from one point to another, trying understanding Schoenberg represents a punctual man who decided to break with tonality because of Maher's ambitions regarding harmony, tonality, keys, development of a symphony and orchestral/vocal content. Schönberg goes beyond including more-abstract art and artistic currents. There was a need to advance harmonically speaking, mostly, and rhythmically, including not-tonal centers, among others.

[staxomega]

I like the one directed by Bob Craft, on Naxos.

Thanks Karl! I actually do have this as part of the Naxos Vol 1 box set Gave this a spin and it is fantastic. Robert Craft, what an enviable man that lived such a rich life. I have his 50s recordings of Webern in my listening queue that I need to quickly finish listening to as well.

Yes please!

Will PM you later in the week, just have to locate my set.

[Mirror Image]

Cases where you don't feel comfortable at first, and although there is a process to get from one point to another, trying understanding Schoenberg represents a punctual man who decided to break with tonality because of Maher's ambitions regarding harmony, tonality, keys, development of a symphony and orchestral/vocal content. Schönberg goes beyond including more-abstract art and artistic currents. There was a need to advance harmonically speaking, mostly, and rhythmically, including not-tonal centers, among others.

This may be of some help to you, Cesar:

https://www.youtube.com/v/bjV3PBIWO2I

[staxomega]

I've been exploring early Schoenberg recordings like Kolisch Quartet in the string quartets, then came across Hans Swarowsky conducting Pelleas und Melisande, this is a phenomenal performance. He also conducts Webern's Passacaglia op. 1.

Does anyone know if there are other Schoenberg recordings from him (or Second Viennese school) that made their way to digital?

[André]

I've been exploring early Schoenberg recordings like Kolisch Quartet in the string quartets, then came across Hans Swarowsky conducting Pelleas und Melisande, this is a phenomenal performance. He also conducts Webern's Passacaglia op. 1.

Does anyone know if there are other Schoenberg recordings from him (or Second Viennese school) that made their way to digital?

Not that I know of. He seems to have recorded very little, often as accompanist (concertos). You might want to check his superb Mahler 4, also with the Czech Phil.

[Mandryka]

I've been exploring early Schoenberg recordings like Kolisch Quartet in the string quartets, then came across Hans Swarowsky conducting Pelleas und Melisande, this is a phenomenal performance. He also conducts Webern's Passacaglia op. 1.

Does anyone know if there are other Schoenberg recordings from him (or Second Viennese school) that made their way to digital?

I can let you have 6 Lieder op. 8 für Gesang und Orchester and a live Peleas  (January 6, 1966 in LA)

[staxomega]

Not that I know of. He seems to have recorded very little, often as accompanist (concertos). You might want to check his superb Mahler 4, also with the Czech Phil.

One of my favorite Mahler symphonies, I will look for this, thank you.

I can let you have 6 Lieder op. 8 für Gesang und Orchester and a live Peleas  (January 6, 1966 in LA)

Message sent, thanks very much!

edit: thanks Mandryka!

[relm1]

A somewhat stupid question, but can someone tell me how to pronounce Schönberg in English?  Basically, I sometimes here it as "Schernberg" so the umlaut has an "er" sound.  But as this thread suggests, it can be translated as an "oe" sound so pronounced "Schoenberg".   Similarly, I've heard Köchel pronounces as 'Kurshel' by a musicologist, if someone can help explain does that umlaut have an "er" sound or "oe" sound?  Does it depend on the region the person is from? 

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A somewhat stupid question, but can someone tell me how to pronounce Schönberg in English?  Basically, I sometimes here it as "Schernberg" so the umlaut has an "er" sound.  But as this thread suggests, it can be translated as an "oe" sound so pronounced "Schoenberg".   Similarly, I've heard Köchel pronounces as 'Kurshel' by a musicologist, if someone can help explain does that umlaut have an "er" sound or "oe" sound?  Does it depend on the region the person is from?

This should clear it up:

https://www.youtube.com/v/_cKrZ3BsJiM

[Jo498]

There is no close equivalent in English to the oe/ö umlaut. There are very similar sounds in Scandinavian languages where it is sometimes (Danish) represented by "crossed o", e.g. Malmö, Göteborg.
French "eu" as in  "Mon Dieu", "bleu" or "Monteux" is also close.

The second syllable should be closer to "bare-k" than how an English speaker would normally pronounce "-berg" like in the video where the "schön" is pronounced better by the moderator than the rather americanized "berg".

"schön" means beautiful and you will find it pronounced correctly in hundreds of passages of German language operas (like the beginning of Salome: Wie schön ist die Prinzessin...) or songs or cantatas (BWV 1 Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern).

[relm1]

This should clear it up:

https://www.youtube.com/v/_cKrZ3BsJiM

Nice and confusing.  So Schönberg is written in English as Schoenberg but pronounced by that yank as Schernberg. They might have been politely nodding along as "close enough". 

[relm1]

There is no close equivalent in English to the oe/ö umlaut. There are very similar sounds in Scandinavian languages where it is sometimes (Danish) represented by "crossed o", e.g. Malmö, Göteborg.
French "eu" as in  "Mon Dieu", "bleu" or "Monteux" is also close.

The second syllable should be closer to "bare-k" than how an English speaker would normally pronounce "-berg" like in the video where the "schön" is pronounced better by the moderator than the rather americanized "berg".

"schön" means beautiful and you will find it pronounced correctly in hundreds of passages of German language operas (like the beginning of Salome: Wie schön ist die Prinzessin...) or songs or cantatas (BWV 1 Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern).

Oh no! Danish is one of the most difficult languages to repeat!  So you are native German, can I say this is close to how an English speaker would pronounce "berg"?  Sorry for being so dumb.