The Men's Rights Movement

[Karl Henning]

Bzzt. Tell me James hasn't met the same reaction on many threads.

Can be a danger when one's repertory of posts is tragically limited 

[Jaakko Keskinen]

If you are arguing that GTA is equal in greatness to any of the great works of art and literature of our civilization. Sorry, but no. That is not an opinion i can accept.

Not that I wouldn't know plenty of opinions which I find at least stupid, if not ouright ridiculous and infuriating, ranging from mediocre works like Harry Potter to masterpieces like Les Miserables... but I still won't start calling them idiots, unless they start to excessively mock my views. Which, unfortunately, they often do. But,  usually, I keep inside my head those opinions of mine that start to get offensive when said out loud. Telling them I most respectfully disagree is quite enough and thus no time needs to be wasted on flame wars and anxiety that surely would ensue.

[The Six]

The video game as a medium for true storytelling has only existed for about 25 years. You can't really compare that to centuries and centuries of literature. I'm just guessing here, but I bet it took a while for movies to be regarded as something that can approach a higher level of expression. I'm sure some people still don't think movies or TV can be art (probably some on this forum). At the very least, you can't ignore that games contain things that are widely considered to be indisputably art: music, illustrations, etc.

[Rinaldo]

The video game as a medium for true storytelling has only existed for about 25 years. You can't really compare that to centuries and centuries of literature. I'm just guessing here, but I bet it took a while for movies to be regarded as something that can approach a higher level of expression.

Precisely. Where were movies 25 years after the Lumières and others kicked the whole thing off? And there already are games than convey deep, meaningful experiences. They're obviously vastly outnumbered by the shallow mainstream entertainment but you can say that about books, movies or music as well.

[Ken B]

Precisely. Where were movies 25 years after the Lumières and others kicked the whole thing off? And there already are games than convey deep, meaningful experiences. They're obviously vastly outnumbered by the shallow mainstream entertainment but you can say that about books, movies or music as well.

I'm skeptical about the games, but your point is a good one. Sturgeon's Law: he was asked why he wrote scifi, since 90% of it was crap.  "90% of everything is crap."

TD
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/05/20/feminists-want-us-to-define-these-ugly-sexual-encounters-as-rape-dont-let-them/?hpid=z11

[coffee]

More like you guys are making a stand for Communism. The plight of women is just a red herring. That's what the big hoopla with feminists infiltrating unsuspecting sub-cultures is all about. Games are just the latest victim in a long struggle to dominate all popular culture and turn it into one big Marxist propaganda tool. And lo, every single group that comes under the scrutiny of feminism is always full of misogynists, even the atheist community!

https://thunderf00tdotorg.wordpress.com/2012/08/26/a-atheism-plus-for-a-third-glorious-age-of-total-agreement/

Richard Dawkins, an horrible woman hater? It is more likely than you think:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/18/richard-dawkins-sexist-atheists-bad-name

Um, since you bring up red herrings, communism is a red herring. You've written some really off-the-wall stuff in this thread, but that has to be one of the offest. Most of the people who support equality for women come from a higher socioeconomic status than the people who oppose it. 

I wonder, for all the paranoia out there about the reds coming - how many actual communists are left?

[North Star]

Um, since you bring up red herrings, communism is a red herring. You've written some really off-the-wall stuff in this thread, but that has to be one of the offest. Most of the people who support equality for women come from a higher socioeconomic status than the people who oppose it. 

I wonder, for all the paranoia out there about the reds coming - how many actual communists are left?

I can say with confidence that few communists are right, and none are on the right.  0:)

But, I agree.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/22/upshot/making-computer-science-more-inviting-a-look-at-what-works.html

[ibanezmonster]

[The Six]

Um, since you bring up red herrings, communism is a red herring.

http://www.youtube.com/v/M7e16yDFjdc
http://www.youtube.com/v/JsvFwOLWyC8

[Ken B]

Um, since you bring up red herrings, communism is a red herring. You've written some really off-the-wall stuff in this thread, but that has to be one of the offest. Most of the people who support equality for women come from a higher socioeconomic status than the people who oppose it. 

I wonder, for all the paranoia out there about the reds coming - how many actual communists are left?

The point about higher socioeconomic status means you can't be an Xist, for any X, is a flaming non-sequitur, right? I'm not defending Purusha here, just defending logic. Communism may well be a red harring here yet your comment is still a non sequitur.
Just as a matter of fact, were believing party members in say China in 1965, Russia in 1937, of higher socioeconomic status than the average in those places? Even those in camps?
And to answer your rhetorical question, yes there are communists left. In the west a disproportionate number are academics. Hardly the lowest rung on the socioeconomic ladder.

[Purusha]

Most of the people who support equality for women come from a higher socioeconomic status than the people who oppose it.

People who oppose "equality for women" (whatever that means at this point), or people who oppose far-left radicalism?

Either way, most social Marxists do in fact enjoy higher socioeconomic status. Like this fruitcake:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US1ipNlsGYY



She cannot be sexist nor racist, because sexism and racism means prejudice plus power, and since being a woman makes her a minority (?!?), she is completely beyond criticism for her racism and sexism. In fact, the criticism she received for her sexism and racism is probably a form of harassment.

And notice all the bobbing heads behind her, nodding in complete and total agreeing with the nonsense she is spouting. But then, why wouldn't they, since they've all been pretty much indoctrinated by radicals like this woman?

[Florestan]

Communism in its modern form was theorized and promoted by people from the high socioeconomic strata. Marx was the offspring of a wealthy bourgeois family. Engels was the son of a wealthy industrialist. Lenin was born into the landed gentry, albeit of quite recent ennoblement. Trotsky was the son of a well-to-do farmer. On the anarchist communism side, Kropotkin belonged to the second-highest ranks of the aristocracy, while Bakunin was born into the landed gentry.

And to answer your rhetorical question, yes there are communists left. In the west a disproportionate number are academics. Hardly the lowest rung on the socioeconomic ladder.

This.

[Florestan]

usually, I keep inside my head those opinions of mine that start to get offensive when said out loud.

I don´t understand why you should do that. By this token, one should never say anything beyong "Hi!", "It´s hot/cold, isn´t it?" and "Bye!" because no matter what opinion someone holds, there will always be another one to take issues with it or to feel hurt by it. If anyone at any times had kept for themselves opinions that "starts to get offensive when said out loud" we´d still live in caves as hunters-gatherers with no art, philosophy or science whatsoever.

Besides, what does it mean "starts to get offensive"? That someone somewhere might strongly disagree, or might take it as a personal insult? Why should you ever care about that? As long as you can formulate your opinions in an articulate manner and in a polite way, what others might think of them should be your last concern, if any at all.

And lastly, I maintain that anyone who seriously feels offended, even deeply so, by opinions expressed on an internet forum should either (1) quit frequenting them at once, or (2) seek professional psychological help --- maybe both.

(With apologies to anyone who might feel offended by this post.  )

[Jaakko Keskinen]

It is possible to have a colorful and interesting discussion with different views without cruelly mocking the other side and telling him/her "Sorry, you're insane thinking video games can be considered masterpieces". Purusha didn't even give any reasons what makes video games so inferior to literature etc. Like I said in one of my previous posts, it took for a long time for movies to be considered serious art. I believe the same applies to video games.

I am very mentally unstable person. I have obsessions that I absolutely have to express my opinion and then have anxiety attacks when encountering opposition. I did nothing to Purusha to merit such a childish response from him/her.

BTW,  I have sought professional psychological help.

[Karl Henning]

I did nothing to Purusha to merit such a childish response from him/her.

No one did.  It's his/her problem;  and he/she may likely just be a troll.

[Jaakko Keskinen]

No one did.  It's his/her problem;  and he/she may likely just be a troll.

Very possible. Or narrow-minded.

[Ken B]

Very possible. Or narrow-minded.

I think many here will agree with Hinkle on this
http://reason.com/archives/2012/08/20/the-wrong-side-absolutely-must-not-win

[Florestan]

I am very mentally unstable person. I have obsessions that I absolutely have to express my opinion and then have anxiety attacks when encountering opposition. I did nothing to Purusha to merit such a childish response from him/her.

Think of it: Purusha (whoever he might be) insulted Alberich (whoever he might be), or rather Alberich felt insulted by Purusha, on an internet forum. The Earth stood still, the Sun went dark and the Nile started flowing backwards witnessing such a tragic event. 

BTW,  I have sought professional psychological help.

I sincerely hope it worked. Wish you all the best in overcoming your anxiety.

[Jaakko Keskinen]

I sincerely hope it worked. Wish you all the best in overcoming your anxiety.

Thank you. I've made progress but it's bit slowed down by not one but two committed suicides by my near-relatives.

[Florestan]

Thank you. I've made progress but it's bit slowed down by not one but two committed suicides by my near-relatives.

OMG! Very sorry to hear that.