Beethoven's Piano Sonatas

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jlaurson

#400
May 29, 2009, 11:53:51 PM
Anyone have any information on an alleged LvB sonata cycle that

Michael Steinberg has purportedly recorded on "Elysium"?

I cannot find any (!) information to confirm that... which is rare and makes me wary.

DavidRoss

#401
May 30, 2009, 05:37:06 AM
The same Michael Steinberg who writes (wrote) program notes for SFS & BSO and who now lives in Edina, MN?  Maybe Angry Baby Dave can pop over and ask him....
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

Coopmv

#402
May 30, 2009, 06:17:23 AM
Quote from: DavidRoss on May 30, 2009, 05:37:06 AM
The same Michael Steinberg who writes (wrote) program notes for SFS & BSO and who now lives in Edina, MN?  Maybe Angry Baby Dave can pop over and ask him....

He certainly has been living in the "left" cities - Boston, SF and now MNPLS ...

;D

Bunny

#403
May 30, 2009, 12:30:08 PM
Talking about complete Beethoven cycles, one of Todd's favorites, the Robert Silverman cycle is being remastered for re-release either late in the summer or early in the fall. As it was supposed to be top quality sound originally, I can't imagine why they would be remastering it.

DavidRoss

#404
May 30, 2009, 01:36:37 PM
Quote from: Bunny on May 30, 2009, 12:30:08 PM
Talking about complete Beethoven cycles, one of Todd's favorites, the Robert Silverman cycle is being remastered for re-release either late in the summer or early in the fall. As it was supposed to be top quality sound originally, I can't imagine why they would be remastering it.
It was top quality sound, engineered by Stereophile's editor, John Atkinson, in high resolution 24-bit/88.2kHz but mixed down to 16-bit/44.1kHz for the CD release on Orpheum Masters.  Perhaps it's being re-released in high-res? 
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

Bogey

#405
May 30, 2009, 01:44:32 PM
Quote from: DavidRoss on May 30, 2009, 01:36:37 PM
It was top quality sound, engineered by Stereophile's editor, John Atkinson, in high resolution 24-bit/88.2kHz but mixed down to 16-bit/44.1kHz for the CD release on Orpheum Masters.  Perhaps it's being re-released in high-res? 

Or maybe they are compressing it and adding some "loudness" for your MP3 type player.
There will never be another era like the Golden Age of Hollywood.  We didn't know how to blow up buildings then so we had no choice but to tell great stories with great characters.-Ben Mankiewicz

DavidRoss

#406
May 30, 2009, 01:47:21 PM
Quote from: Bogey on May 30, 2009, 01:44:32 PM
Or maybe they are compressing it and adding some "loudness" for your MP3 type player.
Love the emoticon, Bill!  Got one making the sign of the cross to ward off vampires, too?
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

Bogey

#407
May 30, 2009, 01:49:03 PM
Quote from: DavidRoss on May 30, 2009, 01:47:21 PM
Love the emoticon, Bill!  Got one making the sign of the cross to ward off vampires, too?

Done:

There will never be another era like the Golden Age of Hollywood.  We didn't know how to blow up buildings then so we had no choice but to tell great stories with great characters.-Ben Mankiewicz

George

#408
May 30, 2009, 01:50:29 PM
Quote from: Bunny on May 30, 2009, 12:30:08 PM
Talking about complete Beethoven cycles, one of Todd's favorites, the Robert Silverman cycle is being remastered for re-release either late in the summer or early in the fall. As it was supposed to be top quality sound originally, I can't imagine why they would be remastering it.

Me neither.

OTOH, labeling a CD "remastered" seems to be the industries way of misleading consumers into thinking it will be better than the original. My experience is that much more often than not, remastered just means louder and/or with noise reduction. Rarely better than the original. :-\  

DavidRoss

#409
May 30, 2009, 01:52:55 PM
Quote from: Bogey on May 30, 2009, 01:49:03 PM
Done:


Ask and ye shall receive...you're amazing, Bill!
"Maybe the problem most of you have ... is that you're not listening to Barbirolli." ~Sarge

"The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money." ~Margaret Thatcher

Bogey

#410
May 30, 2009, 01:58:37 PM
I just read here, or somewhere, on a thread about the mono Kempff set.  I was torn between the stereo and mono a number of years back before I had even a set of the cycle (by anyone).  I remember kind of plying it extra safe grabbing the stereo set and then recall you posting not too long after the fact David that you had just acquired the mono.  You posted that you were loving it thoroughly as you drove to work a bright and beautiful California day.  My envy of that day of your listening continues at this end.
There will never be another era like the Golden Age of Hollywood.  We didn't know how to blow up buildings then so we had no choice but to tell great stories with great characters.-Ben Mankiewicz

George

#411
May 30, 2009, 02:03:43 PM Last Edit: May 30, 2009, 02:06:53 PM by George
Quote from: Bogey on May 30, 2009, 01:58:37 PM
I just read here, or somewhere, on a thread about the mono Kempff set.  I was torn between the stereo and mono a number of years back before I had even a set of the cycle (by anyone).  I remember kind of plying it extra safe grabbing the stereo set and then recall you posting not too long after the fact David that you had just acquired the mono.  You posted that you were loving it thoroughly as you drove to work a bright and beautiful California day.  My envy of that day of your listening continues at this end.

imprtcds at amazon.com still has new copies for $52.  >:D I got mine this week. They delivered it in 4 days. Nice packaging, slim box with paper sleeves and excellent liner notes.
You know you want to!

BTW, I have read that the mastering that you have of the stereo set is much better than the original.  

Bogey

#412
May 30, 2009, 02:08:12 PM
Quote from: George on May 30, 2009, 02:03:43 PM
imprtcds at amazon.com still has new copies for $52.  >:D I got mine this week.

BTW, I have read that the mastering that you have of the stereo set is much better than the original. 

Yes.  I have heard the same about the set I have from the Complete Beethoven Edition.  Still may not be the Kempff set to have though.
There will never be another era like the Golden Age of Hollywood.  We didn't know how to blow up buildings then so we had no choice but to tell great stories with great characters.-Ben Mankiewicz

George

#413
May 30, 2009, 02:12:18 PM
Quote from: Bogey on May 30, 2009, 02:08:12 PM
Yes.  I have heard the same about the set I have from the Complete Beethoven Edition.  Still may not be the Kempff set to have though.

I haven't read one reviewer that prefers the later set, though many still praise it. I had never seen the mono that cheap, so I had a good excuse to grab it this time.  ;D

(I edited my previous post BTW)

jlaurson

#414
May 30, 2009, 02:14:56 PM
Quote from: Bogey on May 30, 2009, 01:58:37 PM
I just read here, or somewhere, on a thread about the mono Kempff set.  I was torn between the stereo and mono a number of years back before I had even a set of the cycle (by anyone).  I remember kind of plying it extra safe grabbing the stereo set and then recall you posting not too long after the fact David that you had just acquired the mono.  You posted that you were loving it thoroughly as you drove to work a bright and beautiful California day.  My envy of that day of your listening continues at this end.

If it makes you feel better at all: The "Les Adieux" and "Hammerklavier" on the mono set are easily bested by the stereo version. Don't know what happened during the last mvt. of op.81a, but that's a harsh moment. But op.79, 90, and almost all the early sonatas are sublime.

George

#415
May 30, 2009, 02:16:47 PM
Quote from: jlaurson on May 30, 2009, 02:14:56 PM
If it makes you feel better at all: The "Les Adieux" and "Hammerklavier" on the mono set are easily bested by the stereo version.

I'd go so far as to say that Op. 101, 106, 109, 110 and 111 are all better on the stereo set.

Bogey

#416
May 30, 2009, 02:18:57 PM
Thanks for the info.  Tough call.  There are a number of LvB Serkin discs that want to grab before the mono Kempff cycle.  Great price though.
There will never be another era like the Golden Age of Hollywood.  We didn't know how to blow up buildings then so we had no choice but to tell great stories with great characters.-Ben Mankiewicz

jlaurson

#417
May 30, 2009, 02:23:39 PM
Quote from: Bogey on May 30, 2009, 02:18:57 PM
Thanks for the info.  Tough call.  There are a number of LvB Serkin discs that want to grab before the mono Kempff cycle.  Great price though.

At least with Serkin there is no question which route to go: EARLY, EARLY, EARLY!!!

George

#418
May 30, 2009, 02:25:08 PM
Quote from: jlaurson on May 30, 2009, 02:23:39 PM
At least with Serkin there is no question which route to go: EARLY, EARLY, EARLY!!!

Indeed.

jlaurson

#419
June 03, 2009, 11:02:31 AM Last Edit: June 03, 2009, 12:53:32 PM by jlaurson
Beethoven Sonatas - A Survey of Complete Cycles
Part 4, 1990 - 1996
http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2009/06/beethoven-sonatas-survey-of-complete.html

       Claudio Arrau II
1984* - 1990 - Philips France (Arrau Heritage Edition)

   Michaël Lévinas
1984 - 1991 - Ades

   Abdel Rahman El Bacha
1984 - 1993 - Forlane

   John O'Conor
198? - 1993 - Telarc

   Robert Benz
1988 - 1995 - Thorofon

   Richard Goode
1989 - 1993 - Nonesuch

   Ian Hobson
1992 - 1996 - Zephyr

   Alfredo Perl
1992- 1996 - Oehms Classics

   Alfred Brendel III
1992 - 1996 - Philips (digital)

   Malcom Bilson & Students
199? - 1996 - Claves





Part 1: 1935 - 1969
Part 2: 1967 - 1974
Part 3: 1977 - 1989

If you have additional information about recording dates, availability, cover art -- or corrections and additions -- your input is much appreciated.

This survey is meant to list all complete sets of Beethoven's Piano Sonatas and their availability in different markets, not to review them.


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