hate keeps a man alive

[bwv 1080]

To hate some music, rather than to merely be indifferent or just dislike is a healthy response, not some pathology to be diagnosed by armchair therapists.  The key components are:

- competently written and performed
- forced on the listener through ubitiqutious radio play or some other means
- dishonestly appropriates some aspect of other good music

My Dishwalla example was all over the radio, compently performed and took the Pearl Jam yearling vocals which were cool when Eddie Vedder did them five years earlier and turned them into a cheesy cliche

Kenny G's duet with Louis Armstrong that provoked Pat Metheny's famous rant would be another example of music that it's healthy to hate

[Sergeant Rock]

Well, and it is a fascinating thing to reflect on . . . if we "hate" a piece of music intensely, what does it really mean?  What's going on in the corners of our mind?  What emotions are really at play, and what are the actual points of reference for those emotions?

I hate Thriller, the album. But in fact the reasons are extramusical (I acknowledge the genius of "Billie Jean" and other songs). The hatred has everything to do with New Year's Eve 1983.

Now, my hatred of techno/house/trance has everything to do with the music   

Sarge

[Karl Henning]

To hate some music, rather than to merely be indifferent or just dislike is a healthy response, not some pathology to be diagnosed by armchair therapists.  The key components are:

- competently written and performed
- forced on the listener through ubitiqutious radio play or some other means
- dishonestly appropriates some aspect of other good music

My Dishwalla example was all over the radio, compently performed and took the Pearl Jam yearling vocals which were cool when Eddie Vedder did them five years earlier and turned them into a cheesy cliche

Kenny G's duet with Louis Armstrong that provoked Pat Metheny's famous rant would be another example of music that it's healthy to hate

Not to gainsay anything you've posted.  For myself, I think, isn't it enough to observe that a given piece of music has been incompetently created, or executed? Why should it excite hate?

Again, not saying that "musical hate" is at all "unhealthy";  for myself, I think it something of a distraction.

[Karl Henning]

I hate Thriller, the album. But in fact the reasons are extramusical (I acknowledge the genius of "Billie Jean" and other songs). The hatred has everything to do with New Year's Eve 1983.

Right, negative associations with the music;  completely understandable.

[Cato]

Now, my hatred of techno/house/trance has everything to do with the music   

Sarge

Allow me to repeat from earlier:

The rule at GMG is: Sarge is right!  Sarge is always right!

Again proving the rule!   0:)

On the topic: I once had a student who could write a dissertation on the visceral hate he felt when attacked by this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhUkGIsKvn0

[Mirror Image]

I, too, feel hate is a strong word and reflecting on my post I made a few pages back, I shouldn't have used that word, but perhaps the words 'actively dislike' should of been used instead. I'm finding that there is elitism in any kind of genre you dive into. You just can't avoid it really. Like, right now, I'm really in throes of progressive rock and really enjoying rekindling a my passion for this music, but I've been frequenting a prog forum lately and there's one member there who insists on putting down Genesis any chance he gets. He actually is a hardcore Jethro Tull fan and is waving the flag quite proudly. Nothing wrong with that, but what I do have a problem with is him constantly putting down music other people like for no apparent reason. Whether this bloke likes Genesis or dislikes them doesn't really matter because their place in rock history is as secured as Pink Floyd's or King Crimson's. It's not the end of the world if somebody doesn't like Genesis of course and it doesn't matter to me one way or another, but I don't like people who put down a band's musicianship and this is what this guy was doing over and over again.

I guess where I'm getting at is this: even though you dislike something, this doesn't mean there's a lack of musicianship involved, it's simply you prefer something else. I think if people get their subjectivity out of the way sometimes, then they can at least acknowledge a band's musical skill. There's no reason to put something down just because you don't like it. I'm learning this more and more as I get older. It's best not get into a huge argument with someone about something you dislike and they enjoy, because, ultimately, opinions aren't going to change on the flip of a coin.

Okay, I'm done rambling....I think?

[Sergeant Rock]

Most people who go around saying they like "all kinds of music" are pretty much total dopes.

I've been a total dope most of my life. When I was six, my favorite "songs" were Tennessee Ernie Ford's "16 Tons" and Wagner's O du, mein holder Abendstern from Tannhäüser...seriously 

Sarge

[Karl Henning]

On the topic: I once had a student who could write a dissertation on the visceral hate he felt when attacked by this song:

http://www.youtube.com/v/jhUkGIsKvn0

(There were funky Chinamen, from funky Chinatown....) Tangentially, I had probably clean forgotten about this song, until hearing it as part of the grand celebratory coda to Bowfinger . . . .

[Sergeant Rock]

I am reminded of one of the Big Band leaders (Duke Ellington, I think) who divided Music into two kinds: good and bad.

And one can like bad music and dislike good. Music is funny that way.

Sarge

[chasmaniac]

Golly, I can't bring myself to hate a piece of music. Cringe at and flee from, but not hate. I reserve hatred for family members.   

[kishnevi]

I am reminded of one of the Big Band leaders (Duke Ellington, I think) who divided Music into two kinds: good and bad.

No other subdivisions allowed!

For an alternate take on that theme,  by someone who could be assumed to know what they are talking about,  see my sig.

[North Star]

For an alternate take on that theme,  by someone who could be assumed to know what they are talking about,  see my sig.

I'm relatively sure Gioachino hadn't heard any Karlheinz, though. 

[mn dave]

(There were funky Chinamen, from funky Chinatown....) Tangentially, I had probably clean forgotten about this song, until hearing it as part of the grand celebratory coda to Bowfinger . . . .

Those cats was fast as lightnin'.

[Cato]

Those cats was fast as lightnin'.

And just a little bit frightening!   

And yes: used as the music for the hysterical finale to Bowfinger!  One of the funniest satires on Hollywood and other things!  Steve Martin and Eddie Murphy: all-around fave!

[snyprrr]

Since I'm feeling particularly alive right now ..

All these boxes ... "rap", "country", "rock" et al. .. are just a bundle of sickening cliches really, especially at this point in time .. that is all you get. Folks molding themselves into these limited parameters and sound vocabularies for all the wrong reasons. It has nothing to do with the art form. They go into it to be famous, it's all phoney. And most of it regardless of the boxes people like to put the stuff in, thinkin' they are all over the map and diverse musically .. when truthfully it isn't all that musically diverse or different at all, and more often than not its all coming from that same place ..

If you've noticec... there hasn't been ANY 'Rock' music for quite a few years... so, if you've noticed, 'Country' has STOLEN the drums from Rock (since it wasn't using them!) and now all Country music sounds like Nickleback sung by Dwight Yoakim! Hilarious!! Country's even stolen a little of that Hip-Hop attitude... see what a Marketing Executive came come up with in their spare time?












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[mn dave]

If you've noticec... there hasn't been ANY 'Rock' music for quite a few years...

Lies.

[Karl Henning]

I enjoy snypsss's combination of all-caps ANY with the scare-quotes around Rock   

[oyasumi]

And one can like bad music and dislike good. Music is funny that way.

Sarge

What bad music do you like?

[Ken B]

Well, and it is a fascinating thing to reflect on . . . if we "hate" a piece of music intensely, what does it really mean?  What's going on in the corners of our mind?  What emotions are really at play, and what are the actual points of reference for those emotions?

There seem to me to be two kinds, or two main kinds.
1. It's crap and it's irritating. One Week by Bare Naked Ladies.
2. I react to the art, but loathe it.

In category 2 I put the movie Bonnie and Clyde, well made. Loathe it. Or the sculpture of Arno Breker. I think it has real power; I loathe it too. But I still react to it as art, not annoying crap.

Count in favour of hating, especially the second kind. "Fat, drunk, and stupid Blase, bored and above it all is no way to go through life son."

[Sergeant Rock]

What bad music do you like?

Wellington's Victory

Pachelbel Canon (although I don't think it's bad, it doesn't have a good reputation around these parts)

Bow Wow Wow "Prince of Darkness: Sinner Sinner Sinner" 

http://www.youtube.com/v/Te2-F8N8H6I

Sarge