Your favourite Haydn's "London" Symphonies

Started by amw, May 08, 2014, 09:52:00 PM

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Pick three

No. 92 "Oxford"
3 (14.3%)
No. 93 "Raspberry"
2 (9.5%)
No. 94 "Surprise"
4 (19%)
No. 95 "Introductionless"
1 (4.8%)
No. 96 "Fake Miracle"
3 (14.3%)
No. 97 "Untitled"
1 (4.8%)
No. 98 "Unnecessary Harpsichord"
1 (4.8%)
No. 99 "Untitled 2"
4 (19%)
No. 100 "Military"
5 (23.8%)
No. 101 "Clock"
5 (23.8%)
No. 102 "Actual Miracle"
2 (9.5%)
No. 103 "Drumroll"
3 (14.3%)
No. 104 "London"
10 (47.6%)

Total Members Voted: 21

amw

The "Oxford" Symphony is technically not a London Symphony but I included it anyway for the sake of arbitrariness and because it was performed at one of the Salomon concerts. (And because it would be my #4 choice)

102, 101 and 94 for me (in roughly that order).

TheGSMoeller


The new erato

Philosophical question: If no 97 is called "Untitled", is it really untitled?

amw

#3
Quote from: The new erato on May 09, 2014, 02:09:22 AM
Philosophical question: If no 97 is called "Untitled", is it really untitled?

In fact, it is significantly more untitled than a symphony that merely has no title. I mean, this one actually SAYS it's untitled right on the cover. Geez.

(I can actually think of a couple of pieces called "Untitled"—Wolfgang Rihm's string quartet Ohne Titel, and Schumann's ⁂ (which means approximately [title redacted]) from the Album für die Jugend.)

Sergeant Rock

#4
The Cat, The Minor, The Fart, also known as 99, 95, 93.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

The new erato

We should have one called "The minor Cat Fart"

TheGSMoeller

Quote from: The new erato on May 09, 2014, 02:09:22 AM
Philosophical question: If no 97 is called "Untitled", is it really untitled?

Are "Unfinished" works ever going to be finished?

EigenUser

Quote from: TheGSMoeller on May 09, 2014, 03:45:45 AM
Are "Unfinished" works ever going to be finished?
I know, right? When I was little and first heard Schubert's "Unfinished", I was expecting it literally end abruptly.

As for the Haydn, I've only heard "The Clock". I was looking into exploring Haydn because I have liked what (little) I heard, but then I got distracted/frustrated by the whole little band versus big band thing and gave up temporarily.
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".


Ken B

Quote from: EigenUser on May 09, 2014, 04:24:52 AM
I know, right? When I was little and first heard Schubert's "Unfinished", I was expecting it literally end abruptly.

As for the Haydn, I've only heard "The Clock". I was looking into exploring Haydn because I have liked what (little) I heard, but then I got distracted/frustrated by the whole little band versus big band thing and gave up temporarily.
Haydn is better in little HIP band.
I vote 92, 104. 100. Like 'em all, but those are the most memorable for me, partly just due to which recordings I had when I was 20.

Ken B

97 is actualyy titled Jeux. I predict it will finish well back. Again.

EigenUser

Quote from: Ken B on May 09, 2014, 09:59:29 AM
97 is actualyy titled Jeux. I predict it will finish well back. Again.
Odd that an Austrian composer would give a British piece a French name...
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

Ken B

Quote from: EigenUser on May 09, 2014, 11:03:53 AM
Odd that an Austrian composer would give a British piece a French name...
'mediocre' is cognate in German, French, and English.

>:D :laugh: ;)

Gurn Blanston

Quote from: EigenUser on May 09, 2014, 11:03:53 AM
Odd that an Austrian composer would give a British piece a French name...

Haydn didn't name hardly any of his symphonies. It was a fad started in later times, usually by the Brits, sometimes by the Germans. That said, I have never ever heard the name Jeux applied to any Haydn symphony. Curious where ken picked that up.  :)

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Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Ken B on May 09, 2014, 09:57:52 AM
Haydn is better in little HIP band.

Not the Londons, though. They were composed for a sizeable orchestra and sound superb performed by a big band. My favorite versions are by Szell/Cleveland and Norrington/Stuttgart.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

EigenUser

Quote from: Gurn Blanston on May 09, 2014, 01:15:06 PM
Haydn didn't name hardly any of his symphonies. It was a fad started in later times, usually by the Brits, sometimes by the Germans. That said, I have never ever heard the name Jeux applied to any Haydn symphony. Curious where ken picked that up.  :)

8)
Oh, he's just picking on me as usual ::).

Quote from: Sergeant Rock on May 09, 2014, 01:23:19 PM
Not the Londons, though. They were composed for a sizeable orchestra and sound superb performed by a big band. My favorite versions are by Szell/Cleveland and Norrington/Stuttgart.

Sarge

I'll have to give all of these a listen then. Thanks!
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

Ken B

#16
Quote from: EigenUser on May 09, 2014, 02:11:04 PM
Oh, he's just picking on me as usual ::).

I'll have to give all of these a listen then. Thanks!
You absolutely must.

Sarge, you can have big HIP groups, no?
The Paris were done with a pretty big orchestra I think.

The only non HIP Londons I have are HvK. Not his best  :( . On vinyl I had a grab bag, but some Szell and some Davis, both excellent.
Oops, I have Fischer's complete cycle too.

NJ Joe

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Sergeant Rock

Quote from: Ken B on May 09, 2014, 02:27:46 PM
Sarge, you can have big HIP groups, no?

Oh sure. I was responding to your "little" qualifier, not the HIP.

Sarge
the phone rings and somebody says,
"hey, they made a movie about
Mahler, you ought to go see it.
he was as f*cked-up as you are."
                               --Charles Bukowski, "Mahler"

Ken B

Incidentally, so smitten am I with Hoggy Haydn, and various HIP accounts of the Paris, that I don't think a single London would make my top 20 Haydn symphonies anymore.