Most bombastic composers of the 20th/21st century?

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Karl Henning

Well, all right, I should revisit the Mahler VIII . . . .
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Ken B

Quote from: karlhenning on April 24, 2015, 08:28:20 AM
Well, all right, I should revisit the Mahler VIII . . . .

Are you sure? Most of us only have time for one crappy 8th, and you already have Mennin ...

>:D

Karl Henning

Quote from: Ken B on April 24, 2015, 08:43:27 AM
Are you sure? Most of us only have time for one crappy 8th, and you already have Mennin ...

>:D

The Mennin Eighth ain't bombastic enow!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Reckon I'll never know how Ben Zander applies his music-on-one-buttock principle to Mahler VIII . . . .
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Karl Henning

Quote from: sanantonio on April 24, 2015, 08:46:41 AM
I am going to switch horses since the BPO has this in their digital concert hall collection, and I have found that I do better with bombast if I can see the grimaced faces if the perfomers.   ;D

"Okay — which of the sopranos is the most cross-eyed here?"
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

ritter

#65
Quote from: jochanaan on April 24, 2015, 08:24:48 AM
Thank you!  It's very true.  in fact, all of the works' main themes are stated in about the first minute of playing time. 8) (Disclaimer: As I've stated many times in this forum, I do love this symphony.  Loud?  Yes, but sometimes very soft--not unlike Mahler's other symphonies.  Bombastic?  Probably.  Sublime?  Yes!  All IMHO, of course.)
My main objection to Mahler's Eighth (well, apart from the choristers singing their lungs out at the beginning..."Veni! Veni! VEEEENI!"  >:( ) is best described by this illustration:



It's as if the shorter, bombastic Part I could be balanced by the longer and quieter Part II...this is IMHO not the case, alas, and I think the piece has serious structural problems (well, and there's  that thing of the choristers singing their lungs out  ;) )...

(poco) Sforzando

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Quote from: ritter on April 24, 2015, 02:21:28 PM


I just want to point out that the system pictured is not in balance. There is more wood on the right side.  ;D
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Was R. Gliere mentioned? There is probably no more bloated work than the 3rd symphony. But I love it !

Karl Henning

Well, and now we might discuss the distinction between bombast and bloat   8)
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

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Moonfish

#72
Just a reminder about the definition of bombastic..

I vote for Stockhausen, but perhaps it is not loud enough to qualify. If I turn up the volume high enough.....   >:D
Boulez is close though!



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Karl Henning

"Most inflated composer": and the winner in Hollywood is ... Stockhausen!
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

Ken B

Quote from: Moonfish on April 26, 2015, 01:24:26 PM
Just a reminder about the definition of bombastic..

I vote for Stockhausen, but perhaps it is not loud enough to qualify. If I turn up the volume high enough.....   >:D
Boulez is close though!

Good reminder! It's WHY I named Messiaen.
See my tag line ....

Moonfish

Quote from: James on April 26, 2015, 02:01:27 PM
You sure? .. check this out .. http://www.good-music-guide.com/community/index.php/topic,92.4920.html

At 247 pages, seems pretty damn self-inflated, only one other composer within the entire damn forum is ahead of that nonsense, Haydn.

But you wrote 200 of them, James?   :P
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Karl Henning

James is especially amusing when he waxes peevish.
Karl Henning, Ph.D.
Composer & Clarinetist
Boston MA
http://www.karlhenning.com/
[Matisse] was interested neither in fending off opposition,
nor in competing for the favor of wayward friends.
His only competition was with himself. — Françoise Gilot

EigenUser

Quote from: Ken B on April 26, 2015, 02:11:02 PM
Good reminder! It's WHY I named Messiaen.
See my tag line ....
"Technically, we are all half centaur"

Quote from: Moonfish on April 26, 2015, 01:24:26 PM
Just a reminder about the definition of bombastic..

I vote for Stockhausen, but perhaps it is not loud enough to qualify. If I turn up the volume high enough.....   >:D
Boulez is close though!


So, have you heard any Stockhausen? Just curious, since you were trying to get into 20C music... (BTW, I agree with you to a large extent on Stockhausen, but not Boulez -- he's generally too subtle).
Beethoven's Op. 133 -- A fugue so bad that even Beethoven himself called it "Grosse".

Moonfish

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Moonfish

Quote from: EigenUser on April 26, 2015, 03:00:13 PM

So, have you heard any Stockhausen? Just curious, since you were trying to get into 20C music... (BTW, I agree with you to a large extent on Stockhausen, but not Boulez -- he's generally too subtle).

*shiver* .... yes...... *still in recovery*

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