Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)

[eljr]

I think I could have said about other presidents in my lifetime that they may have had different values than I. Many of them were less than honest. We are dealing with something else now

THIS!

This is EXACTLY true and what his legions of orcs refuse to acknowledge. Instead they claim that the "good" people of America are overreacting, as if their Saruman is a misunderstood Gandalf risen up to protect them.

It's frightening knowing that Sauron, played by Putin in this come to life former fantasy, controls our orange Saruman.

Can the good creatures defeat this evil as in the texts of fiction or will the evil's shadow grow and swallow all?

[eljr]

I don't despise those that voted for him but I do despise his ardent supporters and those that seem to believe (in) him. I simply have no respect for the kind of person that could be continually taken in by, or like, such a person. This is a test of character and not a difficult one either. People that believe and support him are flawed in some way. It's not just a matter of, "I disagree with you."

just as I posted two weeks ago
As I said, I have no problem with anyone who voted for him however I no longer can respect anyone who still supports him.

People who would NEVER except Trump's behavior from their child applaud and enable him.

Think of how we are learning to use dishonesty in our daily life while becoming numb to it.

I guess if you can separate a mother from her child and claim to be Christian you are perfectly suited to ignore Trump's other evils as well. 

[SimonNZ]

Twitter is finally addressing fake accounts. Trump wants it to go after two specific real ones. Trump wants Twitter to delete the New York Times' and the Washington Post's accounts.

[SimonNZ]

North Korea accuses US of 'gangster-like' behavior after Pompeo talks. Pyongyang says Washington is betraying spirit of historic Trump-Kim summit with demands on complete denuclearization

[eljr]

North Korea accuses US of 'gangster-like' behavior after Pompeo talks. Pyongyang says Washington is betraying spirit of historic Trump-Kim summit with demands on complete denuclearization

Welcome to Trump World, Rocketman!

It's the greatest show on earth!

In a normal administration, of any party, this would have all been done in advance of the meeting.

[zamyrabyrd]

You have no evidence that these are not the parents of these children.  This is just your need to criminalize and dehumanize brown people.
Leaving them with the nanny was not an option.  It was a choice between dragging the kid thru Mexico or dead kid.  Not like you give a shit about brown kids.
This my last interaction with this nasty, racist, reactionary individual.

I was waiting for "brown" to pop up again. The Honduran mother and her family are VERY white, descendents of Spanish Europeans who are not regarded as a different race in their country of origin. She and those like her should be prosecuted for child abuse for dragging her two year old (pictured on TIME magazine) across the desert for three weeks. Maybe the girl missed her daddy who wasn't even informed she was abducted, or the rest of her family, siblings and other relatives?

However, the following NEEDS to be said. The arch-enemy of people of color (a stupid designation anyway) is Planned Parenthood and those who support it, namely the Democratic Party. Their founder is Margaret Sanger who openly declared her intent to reduce the Black population. Women of color are still the main clients and victims of their abortion factories. No Christian in any way can support them.

Roe vs. Wade was the crack in the dyke from which the flood of rationalizations for abominations emanated. In the future, as with certain European nationalities who underwent a massive brainwashing in the 1930's about phony race theories that killed millions, a few generations removed from us will wonder (like we did about National Socialism): "How could they have been so dense or cruel?"

[zamyrabyrd]

just as I posted two weeks ago
As I said, I have no problem with anyone who voted for him however I no longer can respect anyone who still supports him.
People who would NEVER except Trump's behavior from their child applaud and enable him.
Think of how we are learning to use dishonesty in our daily life while becoming numb to it.
I guess if you can separate a mother from her child and claim to be Christian you are perfectly suited to ignore Trump's other evils as well.

Those who voted for Trump still support him, like half of the population. So you don't like farmers or blue collar workers. You look down your nose at Red States, falsely attributing to them the social ills in the big cities of the Northeast and the Southwest coast. Children have been separated from the accompanying adults (many of them not their parents) crossing the border for a limited period of time for various reasons at least from 1996.

It is not tenable to keep then all together as one would not expect motel facilities for each family who wants to illegally cross the border. Again you miss the point, there is nothing wrong with legal immigration but sneaking in together with hard to distinguish criminal elements like human traffickers.  The Honduran floozy was not separated from her two year old at the border. She, however, illegally abducted the child from her family of origin without informing them.

[zamyrabyrd]

Clinton on Benghazi: you can ask me anything you want. I'll sit for 11 hours of questions before one congressional committee alone.
GOP: she's hiding something!
Trump: I will not speak to mueller at all unless I am shown all evidence first.
GOP: he's hiding nothing!

Oh sure! Let's come clean with all the obfuscations of the Clinton Foundation, Uranium One, etc. Actually SHE was the one to plant the idea of "Russian collusion" knowing how rumors spread.  I wouldn't trust anything that b**ch says as far as I can throw my grand piano.

As for Mueller and the inability to find anything after a year and half, this is worth listening to:
https://www.youtube.com/v/kBuZaZapH7A

Gowdy should rise to the top, either Supreme Court Judge or Prez in 2024.

[Karl Henning]

North Korea accuses US of 'gangster-like' behavior after Pompeo talks. Pyongyang says Washington is betraying spirit of historic Trump-Kim summit with demands on complete denuclearization

They are pros playing a pimply rube.

[Karl Henning]

North Korea wouldn't have met with Obama, because Obama wouldn't have given them the raft of goodies that President Butternut lavished upon them.

[SimonNZ]

Russian Bots Linked To Viral Twitter Attacks On 'Hateful' Dems

"It what may be an early onslaught of Kremlin-linked Twitter attacks ahead of the U.S. midterm elections, Russia bots appear to be fueling a wave of criticism against Democrats in part over a lack of "civility" and intimidation in political confrontations, according to bot trackers.

Attacks with the hashtag #WalkAway purport to be from a "grassroots" wave of one-time Democrats who have left the party in part because they say they are so incensed by the hateful and divisive behavior of party members. The message is to "walk away" from ugly confrontations, "intolerance" and hate — and from the Democratic Party.

But the hashtag has been connected to Russian bots. It has ranked as the third or fourth most popular Kremlin-linked hashtag for days, according to bot tracking by the Hamilton 68 site run by the bipartisan Alliance for Securing Democracy, which keeps tabs on Russian activity on the American internet.

Arc Digital has made the same connection in the "strikingly similar" tweets pushing a "familiar narrative" of Democratic "bullying." Arc traced the campaign from a Facebook group in May and subsequent tweets whose traffic suddenly began to explode late last month."

[BasilValentine]

Oh sure! Let's come clean with all the obfuscations of the Clinton Foundation, Uranium One, etc. Actually SHE was the one to plant the idea of "Russian collusion" knowing how rumors spread.  I wouldn't trust anything that b**ch says as far as I can throw my grand piano.

You have no idea what the decision about Uranium One was about or who made it. You couldn't explain it if your life depended on it. You are factually illiterate in the matter and although people have tried to educate you about it numerous times in this thread you keep repeating vague nonsense. You also have no idea where the initial hints of collusion came from. Please read something not written by the fools you normally read. Like legitimate journalists perhaps.

[zamyrabyrd]

North Korea wouldn't have met with Obama, because Obama wouldn't have given them the raft of goodies that President Butternut lavished upon them.

What did NK get? As much as Iran?

[snyprrr]

North Korea wouldn't have met with Obama, because Obama wouldn't have given them the raft of goodies that President Butternut lavished upon them.

Cuz he already broke the bank giving goodies to Iran? drrr...??... come ON Karl, seriously

[Karl Henning]

What did NK get? As much as Iran?

Cuz he already broke the bank giving goodies to Iran? drrr...??... come ON Karl, seriously

The two of you, still haven't twigged that "But OBAMA!" is an evasion, and conceding the point.  So, thanks for agreeing!

[BasilValentine]

What did NK get? As much as Iran?

The "agreement" NK made with Trump is the weakest, vaguest one ever negotiated by a U.S president. NK got and is getting some of what they wanted most: An end to joint military exercises with SK, something no former president would have conceded without a verifiable end to the NK nuclear program. And because of the nonsense Trump has been spouting, like his ludicrous claim that the NK nuclear threat is now over, countries that had agreed to trade sanctions are now relaxing them. That is the other thing NK is getting, also for free. The U.S. got nothing, not a single move toward what we want: a complete, permanent, verifiable end to the nuclear program with an unrestricted regimen of inspections.

What Iran got was the return of some of the money the U.S. confiscated in 1979 when the Iranians had the temerity to depose the dictator we had forced on them—their money, not ours— and the lifting of trade and monetary sanctions. What the U.S. got was a complete, albeit temporary, cessation of the Iranian nuclear weapons program verifiable through inspections.

So, obviously, the Iran agreement was a strong and effective one, whereas the NK agreement is a joke. Trump got nothing the U.S. wanted and gave up some of the biggest things Kim wanted for free.   

[zamyrabyrd]

What the U.S. got was a complete, albeit temporary, cessation of the Iranian nuclear weapons program verifiable through inspections...So, obviously, the Iran agreement was a strong and effective one.

Go ahead and believe it, talk about NAIVE!

[BasilValentine]

Cuz he already broke the bank giving goodies to Iran? drrr...??... come ON Karl, seriously

Jesus snyprrr, you have to know that the only money Iran got was the assets the U.S. froze in 1979. It was their money, not ours. We probably screwed them on the interest. 

[BasilValentine]

Go ahead and believe it, talk about NAIVE!

U.S. intelligence agencies vouch for it. The IAEA inspectors verify that Iran is sticking to the agreement. Do you have information to the contrary? Trump allowed himself to be sodomized by Kim because he believes his supporters are ignorant and gullible enough to think he made an advantageous agreement. Apparently he is right about that.

[zamyrabyrd]

The two of you, still haven't twigged that "But OBAMA!" is an evasion, and conceding the point.  So, thanks for agreeing!

Karl, just because you say something doesn't make it true. No concession at all. Sorry!

It is fair to compare what other hostile countries like "Death to America, the Big Satan" Iran got and what goodies North Korea allegedly received. The cessation of drills with South Korea is really not such a big deal, not with modern technology that NK doesn't have. 

Kim jong Un is more desirous of lucrative hotels on his beaches rather than nuclear bombs. He seems like a very, weak person easily seduced by material things.  He KNOWS that if he tries any tricks he will be squeezed by both China and the US. He inherited the warmongerging spirit from his pop qnd gramps, rather tough to keep up such a intense flame burning for 65 years when North Koreans are depleted by malnutrition. There is a connection with  Iran, other than deal making, predicated on official demonization of the United States.