Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)

[eljr]

You get to demand nothing from me after all your insults.

I have never insulted you.

I have spoken to my interpretations of your posts. If you feel insulted that is on you.

It means you do not like to hear how others perceive your views.

I actually do apologist for demanding an answer. I was just angered at the constant hypocrisy I see from people who cast desperation on people who need the help Christian values should afford them. 

BTW, you are free to share your views of my perspective. It's not a one way street.

[zamyrabyrd]

I have never insulted you.
I have spoken to my interpretations of your posts. If you feel insulted that is on you.
It means you do not like to hear how others perceive your views.
I actually do apologist for demanding an answer. I was just angered at the constant hypocrisy I see from people who cast desperation on people who need the help Christian values should afford them. 
BTW, you are free to share your views of my perspective. It's not a one way street.

It's too much trouble to cut and paste all your little digs, that one is not supposed to be affected by.
Sure, kick someone and then say, if it hurts, it's your fault.
I hope you are not this way in actual life, but probably are.
Border protection stops criminals and drugs from entering any country.
That Honduran mother dragging her 2 year old across the desert for three weeks is a poster girl for all your "tempest tossed" refugees. Her husband has a good job and she separated herself from her other three kids.
Gimme a break!

[Karl Henning]

The above was not a university thesis or meant to be a text for a speech, just an off the cuff sort of thing.

It's still gibberish.  You, of all people, should have higher standards even for ex tempore speaking.

[Karl Henning]

The liberal fringe on the coasts voted for Hillary which still include a large number of fraudulent ballots.

False.

[zamyrabyrd]

It's still gibberish.  You, of all people, should have higher standards even for ex tempore speaking.

Everything you say is rational, even when you are tired?
Why are you SO obsessed with Trump? Honestly?
Get a grip.

[zamyrabyrd]

False.

So how do you explain the blue borders on the electoral map?
Middle America did not want that witch, period!
She thought she would cash in with the women's vote.
That was the biggest joke of all.

[eljr]

Border protection stops criminals and drugs from entering any country.

That Honduran mother dragging her 2 year old across the desert for three weeks is a poster girl for all your "tempest tossed" refugees. Her husband has a good job and she separated herself from her other three kids.
Gimme a break!

The drug problem is largely created by prohibition. Crime is a byproduct of poverty.

Neither can be impacted in any meaningful way by abusing desperate people.

No clue what your Honduran story is about but I do know that it is immoral to support policies that punish desperate people for trying to avoid violence and poverty.

[eljr]

So how do you explain the blue borders on the electoral map?

The blue areas largely represent the better educated, more economically successful areas of he country while the red areas tend to represent the poorer dependent peoples.

As you know the traditional red states have fewer high school grads, more teen pregnancy, a bigger drug and alcohol abuse problem, something that they need to address.

Does this explain the map to you?

[arpeggio]

"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle."

― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

There are many reasons I am a reformed dittohead (slang for exconservative Republican). 

One of the reasons is that when I was a conservative I espoused the conservative view of what a liberal was.  I then learned that the majority liberals were nothing like what conservatives think they are.  I remember having a discussion with a conservative friend about something, I can not remember what, and he insisted that most liberal where whatever.  When I tried to tell him I did not know of any liberals who believed that he accused my of lying to him.

Sure there are some liberals that believe in wacko conspercies like Bush was behind the 9 11 attacks. 

It freaks me out when otherwise intelligent people believe in such fantasies.

One conservative fantasy is that Trump won the popular vote.

[eljr]

Please educate me about trumpets killing people.

I am glad you are open to learning.

I am not sure how you missed these things, especially the Charlottsville murder and  assaults. It received much press and was keep in the news by a president who made it clear that he favored people who committed such acts.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/14/us/charlottesville-fields-white-supremists.html

Overall, https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/white-supremacists-committed-most-extremist-killings-2017-adl-says-n838896

As you can see our real threat is not Muslims.

Now being aware of this I'd like to hear how your opinions have changed. (after reading these links.)

[Archaic Torso of Apollo]

"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle."

― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

What happens if your enemy also knows you and itself? You'll probably lose 50 of those battles.

[arpeggio]

What happens if your enemy also knows you and itself? You'll probably lose 50 of those battles.

That would be true if conservatives know liberals.  But the do not.  I know because I used to be a conservative.  Of course liberals have their misconseptions.  Like they misunderstand the conservative obsession with material wealth.  But for every liberal fantasy the conservatives embrace dozens.

[Daverz]

The drug trade across the borders and criminal element steadily increased over the years.

That is a blatant, insidious lie. Those "parents'

You have no evidence that these are not the parents of these children.  This is just your need to criminalize and dehumanize brown people.

have no business in dragging kids through a furnace hot drug, gang, rape, snake and scorpion infested desert.

Leaving them with the nanny was not an option.  It was a choice between dragging the kid thru Mexico or dead kid.  Not like you give a shit about brown kids.

This my last interaction with this nasty, racist, reactionary individual.

[Karl Henning]

Everything you say is rational, even when you are tired?
Why are you SO obsessed with Trump? Honestly?
Get a grip.

This thread is about Trump.  It is an error to dismiss what I have to say, by mischaracterizing my participation in this thread as "obsession" with him—he is the topic.

Perhaps you're right; he was tired.  He doesn't have the health and stamina to serve his office. 

My dear friend, he gibbers on practically a daily basis.  The excuse cannot always be, "Oh, he's tired."

I am pleased to assure you, that I have never been so tired, that I gibbered in public.  God preserve me from that public disgrace.

[(poco) Sforzando]

This thread is about Trump.  It is an error to dismiss what I have to say, by mischaracterizing my participation in this thread as "obsession" with him—he is the topic.

Perhaps you're right; he was tired.  He doesn't have the health and stamina to serve his office. 

My dear friend, he gibbers on practically a daily basis.  The excuse cannot always be, "Oh, he's tired."

I am pleased to assure you, that I have never been so tired, that I gibbered in public.  God preserve me from that public disgrace.

True. Karl gibbers only in private.

[eljr]

This thread is about Trump. 

I already pointed this out when the same diversion was thrown at me, just a handful of posts ago.

[Karl Henning]

True. Karl gibbers only in private.

And not absolutely every day.  I'm taking next Wednesday off, for instance.

[eljr]

"The Rigged Witch Hunt, originally headed by FBI lover boy Peter S (for one year) & now, 13 Angry Democrats, should look into the missing DNC Server, Crooked Hillary's illegally deleted Emails, the Pakistani Fraudster, Uranium One, Podesta & so much more. It's a Democrat Con Job!"

Is this the writing of a sane mature adult?

Obviously not but he is the most powerful man on earth.

You simply can't be a mature reasoned adult and not find this unsettling, to say the least.

[eljr]

Clinton on Benghazi: you can ask me anything you want. I'll sit for 11 hours of questions before one congressional committee alone.

GOP: she's hiding something!

Trump: I will not speak to mueller at all unless I am shown all evidence first.

GOP: he's hiding nothing!

[milk]

Clinton on Benghazi: you can ask me anything you want. I'll sit for 11 hours of questions before one congressional committee alone.

GOP: she's hiding something!

Trump: I will not speak to mueller at all unless I am shown all evidence first.

GOP: he's hiding nothing!

I think I could have said about other presidents in my lifetime that they may have had different values than I. Many of them were less than honest. We are dealing with something else now: a person who doesn't believe in democratic values and uses lies as a calculated and everyday weapon against his critics and the public in general. I don't despise those that voted for him but I do despise his ardent supporters and those that seem to believe (in) him. I simply have no respect for the kind of person that could be continually taken in by, or like, such a person. This is a test of character and not a difficult one either. People that believe and support him are flawed in some way. It's not just a matter of, "I disagree with you." I don't think Dump is any different from Alex Jones in substance and he may even be worse (since Jones is basically a self-made barker). I hope some of Dump's young supporters can find their way out, the way some neo-nazis escape that ideology. For all the punditry about what make a Dump supporter in the election, it's not a very interesting problem now re: his true sycophants. Should we try to empathize with and ponder over Joe Mccarthy's or Father Coughlin's diehard fans? It's a show borrowed from normal times when normal people disagreed. This is not normal. Dump's "movement" is an attack on democratic society, intelligence, and decent and ethical values. His circle of advisors are rats and criminals.