Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)

[Karl Henning]

Thank goodness I had just swallowed my tea!

Is your irony detector turned on?

Hah!

[Karl Henning]

Because he's a tool, that's why.

Why is the Trump administration cleaning up Saudi Arabia's mess?

[drogulus]

Fauxohontas claims here that she was part Cherokee and part Delaware. Could be she subscribes to Blasey-Fraud's "recovered memories" as being unassailable truth, or is just a habitual liar. At any rate it is good she is outed now.

     You are flat wrong. She said in the interview that this is what she was told.

   

[Ghost of Baron Scarpia]

As a Finn I don't fully understand why EW having Indian heritage is such an issue. An american woman has 1/1024 Indian heritage in her? I don't see anything surprising about that. As far as I understood, EW did casually mention about her Indian heritage back in 2012 telling how she heard stories from her parents. The right used that against her and made it an issue. Then Trump joined with his $1 million bet. All this because of normal reproductive biology/mixing of gene pools? Who knows what heritage I myself have. Russian? Swedish? German? There has been stories about British royal heritage from my late mother's side (my late uncle was into genealogy). What does it matter? I am who I am. EW did the DNA test to end the debate. How about it?

In all fairness, she didn't "casually mention" it. She included a statement that she was Native American in her Harvard Faculty Profile and classified herself as minority faculty. For all I know this may have been used to compile Harvard's statistics on minority faculty. She did not benefit from this in any way and it was not immoral or illegal, but I find it foolish. And very foolish to take the bait from Trump.

[Note added: further reading indicates that the mention her Harvard profile was done on her behalf by Harvard without consulting her. She did refer to her heritage in a directory of law teachers.]

The point for me is, yes, it turns out she does have some Native American lineage. But she didn't have that test result when she made the claim in the first place.

[Ghost of Baron Scarpia]

Elizabeth Warren said she had not only Cherokee ancestry but Delaware, two distinct tribes. Without any factual evidence, she USED this fiction to get preferred treatment at Harvard. Repeating a lie hundreds of times doesn't make it true. Why women like that should be believed is a mystery to me. Thank goodness she is FINISHED politically. She violated one of the left's own rules, that of cultural appropriation. Good riddance!

She did not get any preferred treatment. That is the lie that has been repeated hundreds if not millions of times.

[Karl Henning]

She did not get any preferred treatment. That is the lie that has been repeated hundreds if not millions of times.

And, you know, Trumpkins are all for preferred treatment, when it's Trump or Kavanaugh receiving it.  Which brings us back again to zb's faulty irony detector, and the fact that if Trump repeats lies, the lies become "truth" in her ears.

[Karl Henning]

[...] Trump has a long history of embracing and spreading this sort of nonsense (birtherism, President Barack Obama bugging Trump Tower, Russian denials of meddling in U.S. elections) while refusing to accept established facts that he doesn't understand or want to acknowledge (e.g. a trade deficit isn't an invoice, climate change is real, and immigrants commit fewer crimes than native-born Americans).

In fact, the entire right-wing universe — from talk radio to Fox New parrots to intellectually corrupted groups to passive (or equally dishonest) lawmakers to pundits who should know better but can't bring themselves to criticize Trump — is designed to perpetuate an information bubble wherein only Trump-approved facts enter. It's how most totalitarians operate, which goes a long way toward explaining Trump's affinity for the world's strongmen.

Headline:  Gullible Trump is an easy mark for the Saudis

[The new erato]

     You are flat wrong. She said in the interview that this is what she was told.

   

And why is this worse then claiming Obama was born in Kenya which is a verifiable lie? And how did politics implode to such discussions at all? 

[Ghost of Baron Scarpia]

And, you know, Trumpkins are all for preferred treatment, when it's Trump or Kavanaugh receiving it.  Which brings us back again to zb's faulty irony detector, and the fact that if Trump repeats lies, the lies become "truth" in her ears.

If she did get preferential treatment it would be very easy to prove. Academic hiring follows a well defined procedure. The applicants submit a Curriculum Vitae and cover letter, letters of recommendation are solicited and a hiring committee arrives at a short list of candidates and selects one candidate. The committee then sends the CV, letters, and a commentary to the full faculty, which votes up or down based on those materials. If her  "packet" does not refer to minority status, it had no bearing. When Harvard states that minority status was not considered, I take that to mean it was not referenced in her "packet."

That Harvard subsequently listed her as minority can be seen as a cynical effort to improve their diversity statistics, which ain't a great thing, but is not her fault.

As recent reports seem to reveal, the one group that can be documented to get special treatment from Harvard is wealthy white people (legacy admissions, etc). Warren somehow rose from a hardscrabble, lower-middle class background in rural Oklahoma to be a professor at Harvard, and she only got there because of "special treatment?" She had more barriers to overcome than the great majority of people at Harvard.

[zamyrabyrd]

And, you know, Trumpkins are all for preferred treatment, when it's Trump or Kavanaugh receiving it.  Which brings us back again to zb's faulty irony detector, and the fact that if Trump repeats lies, the lies become "truth" in her ears.

"Karl Don't Bother Me with Facts", (notwithstanding Trump-what-about-ism and how it is bad enough how the name of a good man like Brett Kavanaugh was dragged into the mud by lying harpies), and a few others here: Elizabeth Warren would NOT have spun the tale of having to elope because of being part Cherokee and Delaware, unfortunately caught on film for her, if there weren't political capital to be gotten out of it. WHY did Fordham University cite her as the "first woman of color" (pink) who rose to prominence at Harvard. WHY did she not refute this? But I already cited sources that you did not bother to read, because you don't want to be disturbed with facts.

Honestly, if a person pads their lies, doing so doesn't make them suspicious? I also read there were pictures of hers and her husband's parents at their wedding, so the story of elopement, like her sister Blasey-Fraud's, was also high con-artistry. I like to see Liawatha pull a fast one over Rachel Mitchell, if some men are that gullible. 

[Ghost of Baron Scarpia]

"Karl Don't Bother Me with Facts", (notwithstanding Trump-what-about-ism and how it is bad enough how the name of a good man like Brett Kavanaugh was dragged into the mud by lying harpies), and a few others here: Elizabeth Warren would NOT have spun the tale of having to elope because of being part Cherokee and Delaware, unfortunately caught on film for her, if there weren't political capital to be gotten out of it. WHY did Fordham University cite her as the "first woman of color" (pink) who rose to prominence at Harvard. WHY did she not refute this? But I already cited sources that you did not bother to read, because you don't want to be disturbed with facts.

Honestly, if a person pads their lies, doing so doesn't make them suspicious? I also read there were pictures of hers and her husband's parents at their wedding, so the story of elopement, like her sister Blasey-Fraud's, was also high con-artistry. I like to see Liawatha pull a fast one over Rachel Mitchell, if some men are that gullible.

Elizabeth Warren never claimed to have eloped. She said her parents eloped.

Clearly your source lies.

[drogulus]

     Trump says it's not his fault if Republicans lose the House

     Trump has been telling people at his rallies that a vote for Repubs is a vote for him. And indeed this election is probably about him at least as much as 2010 was about Obama. Obama got the blame then, Trump will get the blame if the Dems win the House.

     The Kavanaugh fight has boosted Repub morale for how it energized the base, supposedly equalizing away the energy gap with the Dems. I don't think this is right. Trump's base is going to vote, the Dem base will, too. What's different is that nonbase voters might also be energized, more than in past midterms, and among them disgust with Bart's juvenile tantrum and Repub antics is high.

[zamyrabyrd]

Elizabeth Warren never claimed to have eloped. She said her parents eloped.
Clearly your source lies.

OK, correction, EW said her mother was the objectionable one with Indian ancestry, although how could anyone know or figure that out? Part of the Cherokee Nation emigrated to Oklahoma from the East around 1819. She herself was born in Oklahoma, but Delaware is on the East Coast, of course.

From Wikipedia that for sure is monitored by her family:
In April 2012, The Boston Globe sparked a campaign controversy by reporting that from 1986 to 1995 Warren had listed herself as a racial minority in the Association of American Law Schools (AALS) Directory of Law Teachers. Harvard Law School had identified Warren as a "woman of color" in response to criticisms about a lack of faculty diversity.

But you are really missing the point, Warren belongs already to a privileged class, that of WHITE FEMALES.

[drogulus]

OK, correction, EW said her mother was the objectionable one with Indian ancestry, although how could anyone know or figure that out?

     I don't know what family stories I need to figure out. I might think a story I was told was true without figuring it out if it had the level of plausibility her family story had. If you come from Oklahoma and your parents say they eloped because your mother had a "scandalous" ancestry what are you supposed to do, not believe them because....what? What's not believable about it?

[Karl Henning]

[...] disgust with Bart's juvenile tantrum[....]

That fine, fine man.

Aye, the Trump base always stays keyed up.  When President Toadstool speaks to a crowd in public, it's always in a Safe Space.

[Ghost of Baron Scarpia]

OK, correction, EW said her mother was the objectionable one with Indian ancestry, although how could anyone know or figure that out? Part of the Cherokee Nation emigrated to Oklahoma from the East around 1819. She herself was born in Oklahoma, but Delaware is on the East Coast, of course.

From Wikipedia that for sure is monitored by her family:
In April 2012, The Boston Globe sparked a campaign controversy by reporting that from 1986 to 1995 Warren had listed herself as a racial minority in the Association of American Law Schools (AALS) Directory of Law Teachers. Harvard Law School had identified Warren as a "woman of color" in response to criticisms about a lack of faculty diversity.

But you are really missing the point, Warren belongs already to a privileged class, that of WHITE FEMALES.

She was a white lady from Oklahoma who had a small amount of Native American lineage, as is probably not very uncommon in Oklahoma. Most people in her situation would consider that an embarrassment and would try to conceal it. She acknowledged it in a directory of law teachers because she was hoping to connect with other law professors with similar background. On a few occasions she spoke of this background publicly. According to an official statement from Harvard University and an investigation from the Boston Globe this was not used as a factor in her hiring. Her record of research and publications at Harvard distinguish her as an outstanding academic performer by any standard. Harvard later listed her as a minority faculty without consulting her.

I see nothing unethical in her conduct. I see a lot of verifiable lies being told about her conduct.

[drogulus]

I see nothing unethical in her conduct. I see a lot of verifiable lies being told about her conduct.

     It was a dumb thing to do in retrospect, trivial but dumb.

[Christabel]

It's difficult but not impossible to get past virtue-signaling as a legitimate argument. If you have "righteousness" on your side, there is no lower limit of insult or dirty tricks that one can descend to defend self-declared victims. I have experienced this on a personal level, when a perpetrator parades as a victim, so my BS detector is well honed.

Yes, look at the comment previous to yours.  This is what Pat Condell was talking about in the excellent little piece I put up entitled "How to Insult a Progressive".  That's all they have:  abuse.

That and reputational destruction.  What a nice bunch they are!!!!!!!  And they wonder (not being overly endowed with intelligence anyway) why they got a nutcase like Trump.  When you have cancer you have to use chemotheraphy and Trump is America's 'chemo'.  But, again, you have to be smart enough to get it and stop doing things to ensure the 'chemo' remains necessary.  Again, a primary school kid could tell you that.

Lots of people on the Intellectual Dark Web are calling out so-called 'progressives' and the loony Left, so I hold out hope things are changing.  It needs to very very badly.  The Victim Olympics has to stop;  the apartheid between men and women has to stop, Gen Snowflake has to stop, grievance politics and its attendant revenge has to stop.  On and on it goes - light years away from the lives of ordinary, hard-working people in the western world who've had it up to here (points to top of head) with the politburo and its propaganda - which has now worked its magic through most of the institutions.  Well, you know what they say about being in institutions?!!!

Take a listen to these guys - it might help!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTJxcX6-TPg

[SimonNZ]

He's the cancer, not the chemo. And is there any chance you could construct a post as something other than a string of Brietbart buzzwords?

meanwhile:

'Hyperalarming' study shows massive insect loss

"Insects around the world are in a crisis, according to a small but growing number of long-term studies showing dramatic declines in invertebrate populations. A new report suggests that the problem is more widespread than scientists realized. Huge numbers of bugs have been lost in a pristine national forest in Puerto Rico, the study found, and the forest's insect-eating animals have gone missing, too.

In 2014, an international team of biologists estimated that, in the past 35 years, the abundance of invertebrates such as beetles and bees had decreased by 45 percent. In places where long-term insect data are available, mainly in Europe, insect numbers are plummeting. A study last year showed a 76 percent decrease in flying insects in the past few decades in German nature preserves.

The latest report, published Monday in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, shows that this startling loss of insect abundance extends to the Americas. The study's authors implicate climate change in the loss of tropical invertebrates.

"This study in PNAS is a real wake-up call — a clarion call — that the phenomenon could be much, much bigger, and across many more ecosystems," said David Wagner, an expert in invertebrate conservation at the University of Connecticut who was not involved with this research. He added: "This is one of the most disturbing articles I have ever read."

[drogulus]

   

The Victim Olympics has to stop;  the apartheid between men and women has to stop, Gen Snowflake has to stop, grievance politics and its attendant revenge has to stop. 

     Why is that, now that we're having so much fun?

     I'm an evil progressive. I want people to have health care and pile debt on your grandchildren. I don't have grandchildren so it's even better. I also want people to get richer even if they are not rich now. I like science and accept its conclusions. Let scientists take care of the paradigm shifts and let political operatives STFU and learn to listen. Did I say I was evil? Also, no god has ever been caught doing anything so vulgar as existing.