Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)

[Herman]

For urban elites (especially those who can afford the astronomical ticket prices to a show like Hamilton) to lose to working class Americans who live in "fly-over country" is so galling, these pampered liberals cannot help but go bat shit crazy.

No doubt you have checked each and every patron in the house that night and asked for their zip code and political affiliation, but may I add that these hateful comments about people who are irresponsible enough to go to an arts event  -  liberal city dwellers spending money on a concert rather than on their nth gun  -  are just a little odd on a forum dedicated to classical music?

[The new erato]

these pampered liberals cannot help but go bat shit crazy.

Most of the craziness seemed to go the other way, with talks of marching to Washington etc.

[Monsieur Croche]

Even the Trump supporter / winners are bat-shit crazed, "protesting" the oh so whiny liberal Starbucks corporation BY PURCHASING THEIR BEVERAGES and having the name put on the cup that the baristas call out "Trump."  (Of course, people with other affiliations could insist the name put on the cup to be called out by the baristas is, say, "A. Hole Trump.")

Fundamentally, a protest that has the protesters funneling their money into the business they are protesting by purchasing their products vs. boycotting said business is at least one definition of "Bat-shit crazy."

It is a nation not only of sore losers, from the politicians to the lowliest of citizens, but it seems, sore winners as well.  Of course, once again we have the 'winner' and 'winners' in what is the definition of a minority, with Clinton getting 1.5 million or so more votes than Trump :-)

[Monsieur Croche]

About the infantile call to boycott the Broadway show, "Hamilton."

This is too delicious to not share....

https://www.instagram.com/p/BNAYT_Qj_Gf/

[Monsieur Croche]

The urban elites (especially those who can afford the astronomical ticket prices to a show like Hamilton) to lose to working class Americans who live in "fly-over country" is so galling, these pampered liberals cannot help but go bat shit crazy.

It is actually fun to watch.

The majority of "Urban Elites" in a Broadway theater are the professionals on the stage.  It is a simple fact that most of the 'bums filling the seats' of Broadway shows with 'astronomical prices' are tourists from "fly-over country," i.e. corn-belt / bible-belt 'folk.' Your construct is made up of that which you do not know enough to speak.

[ADD:] As a retired professional performer, I am continually affronted by any performer who, in their workplace, having performed for their audience who has paid them to perform, then decides they have a license to lecture that paying audience -- on or about any subject.  I find that about as unprofessional as it can get!  Part of this phenomenon, long in place now, is a public and press disproportionately interested in the opinions of 'glamorous' actors and musicians and other performers.  You have to blame, first, a public for being so utterly gobsmacked with performers, and second, a press that plays to that public interest. :-) [EndAdd]

It is also not a matter of one partisan demographic being sore losers (all you have to do is look to the behavior of republican politicians and republican supporters when Bill Clinton won the presidency, especially his second term -- that at least is when I began to notice the "Severe Sore Loser Syndrome" in action among the politicians as well as the general public.) 

Whining and sore losers is the inclination of a good deal of the citizenry of the nation, as pointed out and named in a plethora of books and articles, the phrase / title coined for the syndrome,
"A Nation Of Whiners."


Best regards.

[kishnevi]

No doubt you have checked each and every patron in the house that night and asked for their zip code and political affiliation, but may I add that these hateful comments about people who are irresponsible enough to go to an arts event  -  liberal city dwellers spending money on a concert rather than on their nth gun  -  are just a little odd on a forum dedicated to classical music?

In fact, Pence was greeted by the audience when he arrived with some cheers and sone very loud boos.  Trump would have been better off criticizing the audience, not the cast. And the cast statement amounted to a polite request that Trump/Pence prove the cast's negative expectations wrong, and included a sideswipe at the people booing. And next day the cast spokesman complimented Pence for listening.

Was the cast statement appropriate? Perhaps not.  But compared to all the verbal flamethrowing of the last few months, the statement was like Grandma tut-tutting the children for running around in the living room.

[Monsieur Croche]

References to Clinton's popular vote "victory" are tedious; neither candidate got a majority. To assume she would have won if only the election were decided by the popular vote is specious. 

Take that up with the AP
"Hillary Clinton's popular vote lead over Donald Trump now exceeds 1.5 million votes, The Associated Press reported Saturday: 63,390,669 vs. 61,820,845."

Not, as we know, that the popular vote always wins the presidency....

[kishnevi]

Take that up with the AP
"Hillary Clinton's popular vote lead over Donald Trump now exceeds 1.5 million votes, The Associated Press reported Saturday: 63,390,669 vs. 61,820,845."

Not, as we know, that the popular vote always wins the presidency....

Per CNN, Clinton has received 48% and Trump 47% of the popular vote. 5% of voters, me among them, voted for other candidates.

This means that 52% of the votes cast were not for Clinton, and 53% of the votes cast were not for Trump.  So neither got 50% or better of the votes cast, and therefore neither received a majority.

[zamyrabyrd]

I didn't know that "protection" was the function of government. Surely Alexander Hamilton would be rolling with consternation in his grave:

"We, sir — we — are the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights,' Dixon said as Pence exited the building."

Surprisingly enough, Piers Morgan delivered a whopping counter punch:

Cheer up, American millennials!
I mean, seriously, CHEER THE **** UP!
Oh, I know you've had a rough week ever since Donald Trump won the election.
But it's time to get a grip.
STOP crying. STOP taking personal days off work to 'process' what happened.
Millenials need to get a grip.
Stop whinging and crying and complaining how unfair life is because Hillary Clinton lost the electoral vote to Donald Trump
STOP huddling with your equally distraught buddies in Starbucks over your Venti Iced White Chocolate Mocha.
STOP howling away on social media about how unfair life is and how it's the end of the planet as we know it.
STOP updating the exact number Hillary won the popular vote by, because it doesn't bloody matter.
STOP marching around screaming your fury at the result when many of you couldn't even bothered to vote.
STOP retweeting all your favourite celebrities' own outbursts of pique, rage and anguish.
STOP demanding the Electoral College reverse the decision in December.
In short, STOP being such a faux-tormented bunch of absolutely deluded cretins.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3942278/PIERS-MORGAN-Memo-millennials-awful-feeling-ve-got-called-losing-happens-want-know-win-stop-whinging-bit-learn-lessons-Trump.html#ixzz4QcoZWhkO

[SimonNZ]

Was that meant to read like bad poetry? Wouldn't you prefer journalism to sound like, well, journalism?

A former game show host and Rupert Murdoch pet (and unrepentant phone-hacker) is who you turn to for nuanced political insight? A "whopping counter punch", indeed.

More seriously, though: how's the weather in Macedonia?

[zamyrabyrd]

More seriously, though: how's the weather in Macedonia?

Skopje, Macedonia  November 21, 2016
High 13°  Low 1°   Precipitation  0%   Sunrise 6:31 am    Sunset 4:08 pm   
Areas of fog early, becoming sunny this afternoon. Winds light and variable.

[Rinaldo]

Can you imagine the conservative uproar if Hillary made a 25 million fraud settlement? Called world leaders over unsecured lines? Or won, while losing the popular vote by 1,5 million?

Yeah, those whiny liberals. Anyway, here's just another brick in the wall:

'Hail Trump!': White Nationalists Salute the President Elect

[Turner]

"The Cash-In Begins" - oligarchical personal business promotion via presidency?

Uses own Washington DC Hotel for president´s meetings;
announces own Philippines trade advisor as national advisor on the Philippines;
in post-election meetings, possibly works for expanding own business in India.
And in post-election call possibly asks Argentina president to authorize a building he's constructing in Buenos Aires (both denied it).

(http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-cash-in-begins)
(http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/cashing-in-bigly-in-argentina)


The buddy Farage
- Trump assisting UK policy and staff considerations:

latest Trump tweet:
"Many people would like to see @Nigel_Farage represent Great Britain as their Ambassador to the United States. He would do a great job!"

(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/800887087780294656)

[Herman]

I didn't know that "protection" was the function of government.

Yeah, it is, and has been so since the formation of western city states in the Middle Ages.

It's one of the core tasks and reasons why citizens pay their dues.

Also, you hero and saviour, Trump had pretty much one consistent message and that was: without borders there is no country. So it looks like he feels the same way.

[SimonNZ]

"A Handy List of Donald Trump's Biggest Conflicts of Interest":

http://time.com/4578431/donald-trump-conflicts-of-interest-list/

[amw]

I have nothing against Bernie Sanders personally—he's a bit too moderate for my tastes, and his platform is pretty single-issue, and I have no idea how he'd actually manage to do any of the things he promises to do, but the only things that really let him down in the campaign were that he was a doofy old guy without much appeal to anyone except white boys, and he was up against the Clinton fundraising machine. And his supporters. They are... kind of ridiculous. I'm honestly tempted to vote against whoever this guy endorses in 2020 just out of spite. >_____>

[(poco) Sforzando]

I didn't know that "protection" was the function of government.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

So inconvenient.

[zamyrabyrd]

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
So inconvenient.

What's inconvenient? In fact, where is the word "protection" in the sense of a nanny state which the members of the cast of Hamilton were obviously referring to? "Common defense" is just that, made up of adults who "promote the general welfare" by consensus. This is different from expecting an elected leader to "protect" minorities or certain special interest groups up to the planet itself.
Gosh, what else? It shows not only immaturity but a lack of understanding of the function of government. As a representative that person carries out the will of the majority, as an executive is subject to checks and balances. He is not a Big Brother or Big Sister who will wipe away their tears and solve all their problems.

[Karl Henning]

Ladies and gentlemen, the man who will make all our dreams come true:

[Turner]

A good deal of details in Trump NYT interview just being published. But not that provocative statements, also for instance on climate.

http://www.nytimes.com/live/trump-at-the-new-york-times-the-tweets/?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur