Sound The TRUMPets! A Thread for Presidential Pondering 2016-2020(?)

[Karl Henning]

(slightly redacted for improved impartiality)


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Every president's time runs out.  However not all composers have their day in the sun.

Etch that baby in stone.

[Todd]

Could you therefore do members here the courtesy of enlightening them as to what you believe these to be?

And, while you're at it, what might you propose to do or advocate doing about the forthcoming performance of his 8-hour-+ Second Organ Symphony on 10 February next to launch the new Klais organ in Iowa University? Send in the Trumps?
Do you have hard evidence of this number from bona fide research? Do you know these people? Whether or not you do in either case, how might you account nevertheless for some 200 performances and broadcasts of his work in US?

I had in any case been joking, of course, since I do not imagine that even Trump in his most hair-brained moments would seek - or indeed even be able - to impose legally binding vetoes on musical performances in his country.

[Todd]

That's one guy.  We'll see.

It's more than one guy.  It will be hard for some to shake the approach, and in some places Dems won't have to, but any political party that has been around for a couple hundred years - which is basically a population of one - has survived and prospered by adapting.

[ahinton]

50% of these statements are correct.

That's correct; the former's time has already come and the latter's already has the clock ticking towards its end. For evidence of the former, you have only to consider that, by 1980, public performances of Sorabji's music were scarce, there were no commercially available recordings of his work, almost all of his scores were unobtainable and no substantial literature about him was accessible whereas, since then, two books on him have been published (the more recent of which is available online for free download), 40 CDs of or including of his work have been released, all of his known scores and literary writings have become available both on paper and as .pdf files including more than 60 editions of his scores (many of which are typeset) and many hundreds of performances and broadcasts of his music have been given in almost 30 countries, not least US. If all of that interests a mere 0.00000008466% of the US population, as implied by your reference to 27 admirers in that country, there is clearly something gravely suspect about your unreferenced statistic.

[Turner]

Concerning Sorabji, his time - and a general appreciation of the "100 Transcendental Etudes", so little known, for example - will probably come when 1) the general classical music taste has absorbed early-mid-20th century developments better, 2) people´s mental abilities possibly increase due to technological development, and 3) better living standards leave more space for spiritual and advanced music.

[ahinton]

Concerning Sorabji, his time - and a general appreciation of the "100 Transcendental Etudes", so little known, for example - will probably come when 1) the general classical music taste has absorbed early-mid-20th century developments better, 2) people´s mental abilities possibly increase due to technological development, and 3) better living standards leave more space for spiritual and advanced music.

Fair points, but see #419 for evidence of progress to date. Those 100 Transcendental Studies are one example of a work that has been fully edited/typeset and of which a recording is in progress; the first five of seven CDs covering the entire cycle have already been released to widespread critical acclaim and the remaining two are due out within the next year or so - the pianist is Fredrik Ullén and the record label BIS - both Swedish.

[Todd]

David Stockman: Mr Sunshine.

[Mister Sharpe]

But does Trump? Indeed, has he even heard of him?

OMG, I never even thought of such a thing...what if he has a HUGE Brahms collection?  the HUGEST and is a big fan.  Probably he's built a monster wall around them to prevent Sorabji CDs from sneaking in.

[ahinton]

OMG, I never even thought of such a thing...what if he has a HUGE Brahms collection?  the HUGEST and is a big fan.  Probably he's built a monster wall around them to prevent Sorabji CDs from sneaking in.

Well, if he has indeed done that, at least he's not sought to charge The Sorabji Archive (see www.sorabji-archive.co.uk ) for erecting that "monster wall" as he threatened the Mexicans that he would do with his proposed wall between US and Mexico!

In what I imagine to be the highly unlikely event that he is indeed a Brahms fan, I have little doubt that his favourite among the composer's works would be Schicksalslied; after all, Brahms never wrote Ein Mexicalishes Requiem...

[amw]

Beware triumphalism.  A fair number of Dems are already starting to talk about real politics vs identity politics. 

Not that they seem to have any idea what that means quite yet, of course. I guess a certain amount of adjustment will be needed before Democrats figure out how to live in the actual real world.

[Mister Sharpe]

Well, if he has indeed done that, at least he's not sought to charge The Sorabji Archive (see www.sorabji-archive.co.uk ) for erecting that "monster wall" as he threatened the Mexicans that he would do with his proposed wall between US and Mexico!

In what I imagine to be the highly unlikely event that he is indeed a Brahms fan, I have little doubt that his favourite among the composer's works would be Schicksalslied; after all, Brahms never wrote Ein Mexicalishes Requiem...

I wonder what music he likes?  Something with Trumpets, probably, or Trumpettes?  His taste in movies turns out to be predictable, for the most part, but music?: Stones, Queen, Neil Young, et al.  http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-favorite-pop-culture-movies-tv-books-music-2016-8?op=0#

[Todd]

NATO head heeds clarion call of incoming Caesar, implores European deadbeats to spend more. 


(On what, I wonder?  Perhaps gear from Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Honeywell, et al.  Nah, too cynical.  At least US defense spending will drop as a result . . .)

[SimonNZ]

Conscientious defenders of democracy, or sore losers?

NATO head heeds clarion call of incoming Caesar, implores European deadbeats to spend more. 


(On what, I wonder?  Perhaps gear from Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Honeywell, et al.  Nah, too cynical.  At least US defense spending will drop as a result . . .)

I thought you hated the Guardian?

If you're now going to link to them could you use their actual headlines or an actual quote instead of your own misrepresenting snarky spin? I mean...you were the one complaining about shock headlines and hyperbole, weren't you? So here are the actual headlines for those two:

"Hillary Clinton urged to call for election vote recount in battleground states"

"Nato chief tells EU: spend more to secure Trump's support"

[Todd]

I thought you hated the Guardian?

That's because you read what you wanted to read.  I read The Graun every day, along with other news sources.  What I wrote was that The Guardian is biased.  I recognize the bias, just as I recognize the bias of every news source I use.

If you're now going to link to them could you use their actual headlines or an actual quote instead of your own misrepresenting snarky spin?

No.

[amw]

Despite most people agreeing that the idea of the election being hacked somehow is a conspiracy theory, one presidential candidate known for floating conspiracy theories—ok, the presidential candidate known for floating conspiracy theories who's not Donald Trump—now seems to be calling for a recount in three decisive states. I doubt she'll raise the money to do so before the deadlines, but I guess, may as well do something with all that increased attention on third party candidates this year.

Also I gotta say I kind of prefer Tim Ryan to Nancy "the party of capitalism" Pelosi from everything I've read about them, but honestly, his chances of unseating her are approximately 0.5%. I suspect he is (or his backers are) just hoping to lay the groundwork for someone else to run against her in 2018, maybe Keith Ellison if his DNC chairship goes well, or someone like that.

[Todd]

Despite most people agreeing that the idea of the election being hacked somehow is a conspiracy theory, one presidential candidate known for floating conspiracy theories—ok, the presidential candidate known for floating conspiracy theories who's not Donald Trump—now seems to be calling for a recount in three decisive states. I doubt she'll raise the money to do so before the deadlines, but I guess, may as well do something with all that increased attention on third party candidates this year.

There are 44 days until the electoral college votes are tallied, unless Congress changes the date.  That may not be sufficient time to prove a conspiracy.  Jill and crew had better get cracking.

[amw]

Since this is the year conventional wisdom goes out of the window, maybe the Greens are banking on the conventional "the election wasn't hacked" wisdom also being wrong. Whoooo knows.

I'm definitely looking forward to the 2016 election being drawn out even longer by recounts because god knows we loved it so much we never wanted it to end.

[Todd]

I'm definitely looking forward to the 2016 election being drawn out even longer by recounts because god knows we loved it so much we never wanted it to end.

North Carolina is the state to watch for recount fun.

Me, I want to see the confirmation hearings for Trump's appointments get under way.  I really want to see his SCOTUS pick.  Wouldn't it be a hoot if he picked his older sister?  (He won't, of course, but the howls of outrage from both parties would be freakin' sweet.)

[SimonNZ]

North Carolina is the state to watch for recount fun.

Me, I want to see the confirmation hearings for Trump's appointments get under way.  I really want to see his SCOTUS pick.  Wouldn't it be a hoot if he picked his older sister?  (He won't, of course, but the howls of outrage from both parties would be freakin' sweet.)

Right. Now I'm sorry I was treating your posts as serious and sincere.

[Marc]

The fact that Obama's blue states turned red this time must mean the election was hacked.

Yeah.
But The Donald won't complain this time.