Your Musical Trifecta

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(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: James on January 19, 2017, 04:59:51 PM
You should have been there when I was exploring all the other composers. This was way before the internet even existed.

Then how could I have been there?
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

ComposerOfAvantGarde

Why do people criticise some guy and Mirror Image for answering threads in the way they like to? Some guy doesn't openly criticise you guys from what I have read. He talks about his love for music and his posts have definitely helped me in both discovering new music and also considering music from many different viewpoints which I haven't previously considered. From what I gather, Mirror Image has a huge array of composers and pieces he loves and a time period he loves in particular even if his lists of composers and pieces may change regularly. Just because their posts don't fall within your little paradigm doesn't mean you should feel the need to criticise them for it.

Mirror Image

Quote from: jessop on January 19, 2017, 05:53:53 PM
Why do people criticise some guy and Mirror Image for answering threads in the way they like to? Some guy doesn't openly criticise you guys from what I have read. He talks about his love for music and his posts have definitely helped me in both discovering new music and also considering music from many different viewpoints which I haven't previously considered. From what I gather, Mirror Image has a huge array of composers and pieces he loves and a time period he loves in particular even if his lists of composers and pieces may change regularly. Just because their posts don't fall within your little paradigm doesn't mean you should feel the need to criticise them for it.

Thanks, Jessop, but I've learned that the more you put yourself out there and are at least honest with yourself and your own tastes, then there's always going to be a group of people that will be against it (not that I feel this to be the case on GMG).

Madiel

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Quote from: jessop on January 19, 2017, 05:53:53 PM
Why do people criticise some guy and Mirror Image for answering threads in the way they like to? Some guy doesn't openly criticise you guys from what I have read. He talks about his love for music and his posts have definitely helped me in both discovering new music and also considering music from many different viewpoints which I haven't previously considered. From what I gather, Mirror Image has a huge array of composers and pieces he loves and a time period he loves in particular even if his lists of composers and pieces may change regularly. Just because their posts don't fall within your little paradigm doesn't mean you should feel the need to criticise them for it.

I criticise some guy because (1) he doesn't actually answer, (2) he does PLENTY of criticism, he just doesn't use names, it's all very passive aggressive and (3) he repeatedly brings an agenda about more modern music that isn't merely encouraging others to listen to it in the way that you and some other posters would, but implying a kind of moral superiority for having moved beyond the trivial concerns of those who prefer something earlier.

I mean, this is a thread that asks for 3 composers. Some guy's answer is pretty much designed to convey that he's above such mundane things as having favourite composers. Why else bother answering except to show he's so much SMARTER than the question he was asked?
Every single post on the forum is unnecessary. Including the ones that are interesting or useful.

vandermolen

Quote from: Ghost Sonata on January 18, 2017, 12:09:20 PM
If John had called this thread "Your Musical Hat Trick", I wonder if even fewer members would know what that is compared to Trifecta??? 

Three is really getting down to brass tacks...but I take sustenance in so many others' trifectas reflecting my own tastes and interests.

Brahms
Miaskovsky
Berlioz
Another vote for Miaskovsky  :)
And in the spelling I like  :)
Which are your favourite works Ghost Sonata?
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).

Florestan

I don´t *criticize* John (MI). I just like, when the opportunity presents itself (as was the case with this thread) to poke fun at his habits --- and had you actually read his original, unedited OP you´d have probably understood it better. That is all. I mean no harm or offense, I don´´t think he takes any and actually I don´t remember ever being on unfriendly terms with him.
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part. ." — C;laude Debussy

James

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on January 19, 2017, 05:24:02 PM
Then how could I have been there?

I didn't mean it literally. Let's just say that the internet came in at the tale-end of the journey. :)
Action is the only truth

Mirror Image

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Quote from: Florestan on January 20, 2017, 01:40:10 AM
I don´t *criticize* John (MI). I just like, when the opportunity presents itself (as was the case with this thread) to poke fun at his habits --- and had you actually read his original, unedited OP you´d have probably understood it better. That is all. I mean no harm or offense, I don´´t think he takes any and actually I don´t remember ever being on unfriendly terms with him.

It takes a lot to offend me, Andrei and you certainly have never done any of the sort. Looking back on my posts, I think they're quite funny, too, because I can never give a concrete answer when it comes to these kinds of questions, but I do believe I'm very close with my current list.

(poco) Sforzando

Quote from: James on January 20, 2017, 02:28:52 AM
I didn't mean it literally. Let's just say that the internet came in at the tale-end of the journey. :)

And a most interesting tale that must have been.
"I don't know what sforzando means, though it clearly means something."

James

Quote from: (poco) Sforzando on January 20, 2017, 06:14:22 AM
And a most interesting tale that must have been.

The musical journey ..
Action is the only truth

Florestan

I will answer in a different vein: of all the great composers which makes my Top 10, these three seems to me the most humane:



Haydn, Mozart, Schubert
"Beauty must appeal to the senses, must provide us with immediate enjoyment, must impress us or insinuate itself into us without any effort on our part. ." — C;laude Debussy

Monsieur Croche

Quote from: Florestan on January 23, 2017, 02:17:38 PM
I will answer in a different vein: of all the great composers which makes my Top 10, these three seems to me the most humane:



Haydn, Mozart, Schubert

An interesting perspective, and maybe another 'good' subject for a poll...
Your _____ "Most Humane" composers...

Of course, natürlich/  natuurlijk / naturellement, naturalmente -- the answers will vary to a degree where a reader might think 'Most Humane" is a quality that blows as capriciously as the winds ;-)
~ I'm all for personal expression; it just has to express something to me. ~

Monsieur Croche

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Quote from: ørfeo on January 19, 2017, 11:27:26 PM
I criticise some guy because (1) he doesn't actually answer, (2) he does PLENTY of criticism, he just doesn't use names, it's all very passive aggressive and (3) he repeatedly brings an agenda about more modern music that isn't merely encouraging others to listen to it in the way that you and some other posters would, but implying a kind of moral superiority for having moved beyond the trivial concerns of those who prefer something earlier.

I mean, this is a thread that asks for 3 composers. Some guy's answer is pretty much designed to convey that he's above such mundane things as having favourite composers. Why else bother answering except to show he's so much SMARTER than the question he was asked?

Che palle!
How can anyone pin up Just Three anything to... you know, make the world certain, fix things in place (rather like a dead insect pinned and labeled in a display case... forever immutable) when people don't/won't answer such a profoundly important thing as their Trifecta of classical composers?  I mean, it is near enough to tilt the axis of the planet!

I actually don't think this particular member -- or any others whom to you seem inconstant or inconsistent -- are that flaky or capriciously blowing in the wind as much as they are more like that song lyric [hmmm, maybe it is a particularly Hippie ethic],
"And if you can't be with the one you love honey
Love the one you're with, Love the one you're with,
Love the one you're with, Love the one you're with."


Like another GMG member said in this thread, when I think of one, five to ten others spring to mind.... so I find answering this question very near to if not actually...
~ I'm all for personal expression; it just has to express something to me. ~

nathanb

Quote from: ørfeo on January 19, 2017, 11:27:26 PM
I criticise some guy because (1) he doesn't actually answer, (2) he does PLENTY of criticism, he just doesn't use names, it's all very passive aggressive and (3) he repeatedly brings an agenda about more modern music that isn't merely encouraging others to listen to it in the way that you and some other posters would, but implying a kind of moral superiority for having moved beyond the trivial concerns of those who prefer something earlier.

I mean, this is a thread that asks for 3 composers. Some guy's answer is pretty much designed to convey that he's above such mundane things as having favourite composers. Why else bother answering except to show he's so much SMARTER than the question he was asked?

I thought it was a relatively clever quip and nothing more.

Sometimes I notice that people spend so much time opposing agendas that it starts to get tough to remember who really has the agenda in the first place.

Madiel

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If it's just a thread, don't make a big deal out of what I initially said. Initially. It was one sentence.

Then the question "why are you criticising him" was asked. So I answered it. Now some of you seem to have a problem (several days later!) with my answer and are criticising criticism. Ironic.
Every single post on the forum is unnecessary. Including the ones that are interesting or useful.

Jaakko Keskinen

"Javert, though frightful, had nothing ignoble about him. Probity, sincerity, candor, conviction, the sense of duty, are things which may become hideous when wrongly directed; but which, even when hideous, remain grand."

- Victor Hugo

nathanb

Quote from: ørfeo on January 23, 2017, 07:57:08 PM
If it's just a thread, don't make a big deal out of what I initially said. Initially. It was one sentence.

Then the question "why are you criticising him" was asked. So I answered it. Now some of you seem to have a problem (several days later!) with my answer and are criticising criticism. Ironic.

All I'm saying is that I have, for years, consistently seen much more aggression towards these people with "modernist agendas" than I have ever seen from the people with the actual supposed agendas.

Daverz

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Ghost Sonata

Quote from: vandermolen on January 19, 2017, 11:28:21 PM
Another vote for Miaskovsky  :)
And in the spelling I like  :)
Which are your favourite works Ghost Sonata?

I see him as a Russian Brahms of sorts.  My faves are his VC, Cello Concerto, Cello sonatas, Symphonies 8, 16, 21, 27.  Many of the Symphonies are tricky animals; you can listen to them once and run the risk of not seeing much in them.  Listen again and of a sudden you hear things that surprise and delight and haunt.  He loves those augmented chords and so do I.  Any special recommends?
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vandermolen

Quote from: Ghost Sonata on January 25, 2017, 04:54:39 AM
I see him as a Russian Brahms of sorts.  My faves are his VC, Cello Concerto, Cello sonatas, Symphonies 8, 16, 21, 27.  Many of the Symphonies are tricky animals; you can listen to them once and run the risk of not seeing much in them.  Listen again and of a sudden you hear things that surprise and delight and haunt.  He loves those augmented chords and so do I.  Any special recommends?
"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm" (Churchill).

'The test of a work of art is, in the end, our affection for it, not our ability to explain why it is good' (Stanley Kubrick).