Non-Classical Music Listening Thread!

[Henk]

A comparison with Chick Corea's 'Return to Forever' ( rhe band's name) can be made

[greg]

I just discovered this today.

Meg Myers - Desire

...anyone else feel reaaaaally really turned on by this?
Not even just her, but the lyrics, the vibe, the look of desire in her eyes, etc. Super animalistic. Like a dopamine explosion in the brain.

[SimonNZ]

...anyone else feel reaaaaally really turned on by this?

No.

TD:

[greg]

No.

I'd definitely expect a no from you, no surprise.  I couldn't imagine it would be a feeling that would resonate.

[71 dB]

Maureen McGovern - The Morning After - 4 LPS ON 2 CDS
MMMA #4194


CD1: The Morning After & Nice Be Around

Despite of the shockingly bad transfers from vinyls these two albums are very much to my liking. I don't know if these is a specific term to describe this kind of music, but I call it muzakian sunshine pop. As if muzak was the starting point and passionate vocals were added to turn it into pop songs. Maureen McGovern's singing voice is pretty optimal for this kind of music. Hard to say at this point which album I prefer.


CD2: Academy Award Performance & Maureen McGovern/Can You Read My Mind

Academy Award Performance from 1975 is a strange mixture of broadway music from the Academy Award Gala plus a few tracks of other style. I liked this album more on the second listening, but if I am in mood of muzakian sunshine pop, this album isn't the top choice.

Maureen McGovern/Can You Read My Mind from 1979 is influenced by disco and r'n'b while the  muzakian sunshine pop feel is gone. This one has the best sound quality (ripped from the least worn out vinyl). This albums feels the least important to me which is exactly what I predicted.

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BTW, the discs are clearly CD-Rs. Made in Switzerland. I don't find any information about the label "Classics." This release has bootleg written all over it, but it is sold as real CD. That said, I don't feel bad about a bootleg when the copyright owners don't bother to release this music on CD (they don't lose money, because they are not in the business of making money!). If the first two albums are released on real redbook CDs taken from the original studio tapes and remastered for GOOD SOUND QUALITY, I am interested to buy those releases, but it looks that's something that will never happen.

[Henk]

I just discovered this today.

Meg Myers - Desire

...anyone else feel reaaaaally really turned on by this?
Not even just her, but the lyrics, the vibe, the look of desire in her eyes, etc. Super animalistic. Like a dopamine explosion in the brain.

It's good I agree, but I'm not that animalistic (virile) these days (being a middle aged man).
Enjoyed this album yesterday pretty much:

Indie, but new and highly energetic. One track sounded somewhat like Rage against the machine.

[greg]

It's good I agree, but I'm not that animalistic (virile) these days (being a middle aged man).

Ha, interesting.

I might have to let you know sometime what this is actually all about, why I even found out about this song.

The general idea is:
There's an expansion of the enneagram instincts going on, I have been discussing a bit with the guy that is making this theory.

And there's a connection between these sorts of instinctual things alongside things such as music videos like these. Things that resonate you are a clue to how your instincts are oriented. What drives you? What gets you going? etc.

(There's certainly a separation between instincts and ego, as well- ego being moreso how you show up in the world as a person, instincts being more fundamental drives). 

Maybe I'll figure out your type, as well, when I get things figured out a bit better over the next few months.

[Henk]

Ha, interesting.

I might have to let you know sometime what this is actually all about, why I even found out about this song.

The general idea is:
There's an expansion of the enneagram instincts going on, I have been discussing a bit with the guy that is making this theory.

And there's a connection between these sorts of instinctual things alongside things such as music videos like these. Things that resonate you are a clue to how your instincts are oriented. What drives you? What gets you going? etc.

(There's certainly a separation between instincts and ego, as well- ego being moreso how you show up in the world as a person, instincts being more fundamental drives). 

Maybe I'll figure out your type, as well, when I get things figured out a bit better over the next few months.

Those Enneagram theories seem to do you good. Every time you talk about it you sound enthousiastic. Gaining insight that helps you living your life and orient yourself is invaluable. It's good as well to have some like-minded people in your network in the struggle against isolation and a feel of social development in terms of knowledge.

I have a book titled 'The Status Game' by Will Storr, which is related to drive and ego. Also of course Freud.

[Henk]

I just discovered this today.

Meg Myers - Desire

...anyone else feel reaaaaally really turned on by this?
Not even just her, but the lyrics, the vibe, the look of desire in her eyes, etc. Super animalistic. Like a dopamine explosion in the brain.

I like the singer of this band more. Sexier to me. She's funny. You might be able to relate to the song as well  Anyway you might enjoy it.

[steve ridgway]

I just discovered this today.

Meg Myers - Desire

...anyone else feel reaaaaally really turned on by this?
Not even just her, but the lyrics, the vibe, the look of desire in her eyes, etc. Super animalistic. Like a dopamine explosion in the brain.

Richard Strauss would have loved her in Salome .

[greg]

Those Enneagram theories seem to do you good. Every time you talk about it you sound enthousiastic. Gaining insight that helps you living your life and orient yourself is invaluable. It's good as well to have some like-minded people in your network in the struggle against isolation and a feel of social development in terms of knowledge.

I have a book titled 'The Status Game' by Will Storr, which is related to drive and ego. Also of course Freud.

Yeah, that's interesting you can pick up on how enthusiastic I can become with this.

I think that's the main point, really. It's a dopamine source, I think.

The orientation thing is a bonus, it can be a good tool for that, even if it is not the main point for me. It can help explain a lot of things, too. And yeah, it's super fun to discuss.

I like the singer of this band more. Sexier to me. She's funny. You might be able to relate to the song as well  Anyway you might enjoy it.

That was sooooo goofy lol. Idk what to think, but it certainly wasn't boring, so you can consider that as a positive.

Richard Strauss would have loved her in Salome .

haha, hell yeah.
(I should probably relisten to Salome some time, it's been a while!)

[greg]

I've been watching live performances of Desire and some of her interviews. She honestly seems kind of like that IRL, it's so weird, the crazy eyes and all.
She mentioned how she just mentally blacks out when she performs. It's like some sort of strong instinct connection.

But it's specifically the expressions she has when singing the verses that is the most affecting.
Like, "I wanna kill you" and then this sort of quick, giddy smile like she's surprised at her own feelings.

It's so interesting because this is pretty much a summary of the feeling that I try to chase all the time, and try to avoid deprivation of (though usually do feel deprived of, which is the reason for low mood). But you can connect with this feeling through anything that interests you, the way I read the song is that sexuality itself isn't even the point specifically, it's moreso a song about the chemical craving itself.

[steve ridgway]

It's so interesting because this is pretty much a summary of the feeling that I try to chase all the time, and try to avoid deprivation of (though usually do feel deprived of, which is the reason for low mood). But you can connect with this feeling through anything that interests you, the way I read the song is that sexuality itself isn't even the point specifically, it's moreso a song about the chemical craving itself.

So your hormones and feelings may be stimulated by something outside you but they're actually internal. Perhaps if you just relax and focus you might be able to connect with them directly.

[greg]

So your hormones and feelings may be stimulated by something outside you but they're actually internal. Perhaps if you just relax and focus you might be able to connect with them directly.

That's definitely worth trying.

I think the main strategy, if it's possible through concentration alone, would be to push out thoughts of any external demands and obligations that weigh you down (which have the opposite effect, basically).

Perhaps it would be like some sort of meditation, but not the traditional variety maybe (then again, idk much about meditation so I can be corrected on that). I really don't get the point of traditional meditation, clearing your mind for the sake of inner peace. I don't want peace, I want insatiable lust, to feel alive. You know what is also peaceful? Death. We have forever to feel peaceful, why start now?

[steve ridgway]

I don't want peace, I want insatiable lust, to feel alive.

This reminds me very much of what I've read by philosopher Colin Wilson. His Gerard Sorme trilogy of novels is a fun and easy way to explore this idea, particularly the last, The God of the Labyrinth.

There are all sorts of meditation practice. One is to concentrate the mind on a thought or image so as to become totally absorbed in it, which could be a lot easier if it's a feeling one really wants. You might have to be careful to focus on a positive object you can find in yourself like a feeling of energy or pleasant sensation, rather than lust for something outside you, as that could drive you mad with craving or obsession.

[AnotherSpin]

That's definitely worth trying.

I think the main strategy, if it's possible through concentration alone, would be to push out thoughts of any external demands and obligations that weigh you down (which have the opposite effect, basically).

Perhaps it would be like some sort of meditation, but not the traditional variety maybe (then again, idk much about meditation so I can be corrected on that). I really don't get the point of traditional meditation, clearing your mind for the sake of inner peace. I don't want peace, I want insatiable lust, to feel alive. You know what is also peaceful? Death. We have forever to feel peaceful, why start now?

Meditation is good for stopping the merry-go-round of the thinking, with the aim of ceasing the continuous flow of thoughts. To start to live, at last, instead of scrolling through someone else's thoughts in the head, because all "our" thoughts are borrowed or imposed from outside, like viral diseases. By the way, death is nothing more than a thought. You cannot experience death, you can only think about it. Or you can put thoughts of death out of your mind by meditating. Or by doing something. The former is easier and available to anyone.

[Bachtoven]

[greg]

There are all sorts of meditation practice. One is to concentrate the mind on a thought or image so as to become totally absorbed in it, which could be a lot easier if it's a feeling one really wants.

You know, this sounds familiar and I think I used to do this (not by purposefully "meditating," just moreso on accident). But I might experiment with this.

Meditation is good for stopping the merry-go-round of the thinking, with the aim of ceasing the continuous flow of thoughts.

That seems to be the fundamental direction that people that get into meditation are coming from, but I just don't get into that, I feel the exact opposite.

A lot of them also have the attitude of "being one with the universe," but IMO it should be the opposite. The universe it not to be trusted, it's not good. Only your own mind can be fully trusted, nothing else. Although you don't have complete control over your own mind, it's certainly more controllable/influencable. It will also help you against the universe (which doesn't have your best interest in mind, it's completely indifferent).

So I don't really get the drive to quiet the mind, that I commonly hear with fans of meditation. It's like driving without a GPS- I guess if you wanna get nowhere and have a more stress-free drive, then go ahead. But my GPS gets me where I wanna go.

[AnotherSpin]

You know, this sounds familiar and I think I used to do this (not by purposefully "meditating," just moreso on accident). But I might experiment with this.




That seems to be the fundamental direction that people that get into meditation are coming from, but I just don't get into that, I feel the exact opposite.

A lot of them also have the attitude of "being one with the universe," but IMO it should be the opposite. The universe it not to be trusted, it's not good. Only your own mind can be fully trusted, nothing else. Although you don't have complete control over your own mind, it's certainly more controllable/influencable. It will also help you against the universe (which doesn't have your best interest in mind, it's completely indifferent).

So I don't really get the drive to quiet the mind, that I commonly hear with fans of meditation. It's like driving without a GPS- I guess if you wanna get nowhere and have a more stress-free drive, then go ahead. But my GPS gets me where I wanna go.

I don't have a GPS in the car. Actually, I don't have a car either, I drive my wife's car when I need to, and I rarely need to.

I guess there is no point in getting into a discussion about meditation here in the thread. I will only say that this word is used to refer to many different things. "Being one with the universe" seems rubbish to me. It is a standard substitution of one thought for another.

[Henk]

By the way, death is nothing more than a thought. You cannot experience death, you can only think about it.

Agreed. It's useful to aqcuire a peaceful mind, to oneself, others and society. To remain calm in every circumstance is a proof of value and wisdom. And is productive. But Greg is just not content with it, it's not his value, but it can be someone else's. For me personally it is. For some it's natural for other's like me, it's something to strive for, to acquire, to be productive and to be able to live wisely.

Not that I can't relate to @greg. I also need excaltation and dopamine, though serotinine, endorphine and oxytocine are of equal importance to me.

Of course Greg has a different brain and body chemistry, he seems to need more stimulation to produce dopamine (with probably a positive feedback loop involved).