Islam has failed

[lisa needs braces]

"Abandoning Islam for a life in porn." 

https://spectator.us/2018/08/abandoning-islam-for-a-life-in-porn/

[Karl Henning]

Going the way of Evangelicalism, then.

[vandermolen]

An intelligent and interesting article.

[Jackman]

I thought this was gonna be a lame atheistic anti-Islam rant but instead this was entertaining, thanks 

[drogulus]

I thought this was gonna be a lame atheistic anti-Islam rant but instead this was entertaining, thanks 

      I have to say that I don't buy the sex positive angle, it does not quite "entertain" and thus is lame. This leads me to question the reference to atheism, Jewish or not. I'll tell you what it looks like to me, a characteristic rebound from abuse.

[Karl Henning]

      I have to say that I don't buy the sex positive angle, it does not quite "entertain" and thus is lame. This leads me to question the reference to atheism, Jewish or not. I'll tell you what it looks like to me, a characteristic rebound from abuse.

Not religion-specific, you mean?  Yes, you do have a good point.

[vandermolen]

I thought this was gonna be a lame atheistic anti-Islam rant but instead this was entertaining, thanks 

Yes, that was my thought as well.

[Cato]

      I have to say that I don't buy the sex positive angle, it does not quite "entertain" and thus is lame. This leads me to question the reference to atheism, Jewish or not. I'll tell you what it looks like to me, a characteristic rebound from abuse.

Not to mention revenge against the parents!  A great deal of anger in the young lady, I would say!

[drogulus]

     

Not religion-specific, you mean?  Yes, you do have a good point.

     I'm always religion specific when it's needed and appropriate, as you well know. My point was not that she didn't have the reasons she had to flee an abusive cult, I know where the burden of proof lies in such cases. My point is that the validity of the need to escape does not rationalize anything done after.

[Karl Henning]

     I'm always religion specific when it's needed and appropriate, as you well know. My point was not that she didn't have the reasons she had to flee an abusive cult, I know where the burden of proof lies in such cases. My point is that the validity of the need to escape does not rationalize anything done after.

That is also a good point.  Wish the Trumpkins understood that.

[André]

It goes further than the writer herself realizes. She claims to have discored and enjoyed BDSM, going on about 'making my own decisions', 'drawing my own boundaries', and 'Nobody forces me to do anything'. This is very doubtful. In my view, her family and religion (Islam in this particular case) are the driving forces that crushed the woman in her. Her views of herself, her body, her sexuality did not bring about a free will action, but merely a reaction, meaning that she is still giving those religious and cultural forces a dominant power over her choices. It's a very sad story, and I don't find anything entertaining in it.

[Cato]

It goes further than the writer herself realizes. She claims to have discored and enjoyed BDSM, going on about 'making my own decisions', 'drawing my own boundaries', and 'Nobody forces me to do anything'. This is very doubtful. In my view, her family and religion (Islam in this particular case) are the driving forces that crushed the woman in her. Her views of herself, her body, her sexuality did not bring about a free will action, but merely a reaction, meaning that she is still giving those religious and cultural forces a dominant power over her choices. It's a very sad story, and I don't find anything entertaining in it.

Precisely!

[drogulus]

     

It goes further than the writer herself realizes. She claims to have discored and enjoyed BDSM, going on about 'making my own decisions', 'drawing my own boundaries', and 'Nobody forces me to do anything'.

     My critique doesn't require this to be false. In fact I assume that it is true enough to be said, but that there is a larger context within which she has made an inferior choice.

[Daverz]

It's just the usual strawman arguments.

[zamyrabyrd]

I feel sorry for this woman and hope she comes to her senses that this is yet another form of debasement.
High cultures elevated the status of women and motherhood, honored and respected them.
In the West, the process of equality under the law has been long and difficult over 2000 years but the veneration of Mary and medieval courtly love helped to push it along.

[vandermolen]

It goes further than the writer herself realizes. She claims to have discored and enjoyed BDSM, going on about 'making my own decisions', 'drawing my own boundaries', and 'Nobody forces me to do anything'. This is very doubtful. In my view, her family and religion (Islam in this particular case) are the driving forces that crushed the woman in her. Her views of herself, her body, her sexuality did not bring about a free will action, but merely a reaction, meaning that she is still giving those religious and cultural forces a dominant power over her choices. It's a very sad story, and I don't find anything entertaining in it.

Having thought more about it I largely agree with this exceptionally perceptive analysis.

[Ken B]

It goes further than the writer herself realizes. She claims to have discored and enjoyed BDSM, going on about 'making my own decisions', 'drawing my own boundaries', and 'Nobody forces me to do anything'. This is very doubtful. In my view, her family and religion (Islam in this particular case) are the driving forces that crushed the woman in her. Her views of herself, her body, her sexuality did not bring about a free will action, but merely a reaction, meaning that she is still giving those religious and cultural forces a dominant power over her choices. It's a very sad story, and I don't find anything entertaining in it.

Precisely!

Having thought more about it I largely agree with this exceptionally perceptive analysis.

I am sorry to say that I think you are all deeply disrespectful of this woman. It's clear to me from the article that she knows her own mind, and is a thoughtful, intelligent person. I do not see her as an automaton, programmed without her understanding or awareness by the men in her life, a mental cripple rendered incapable of understanding her own experience . But I just cannot read your remarks in any other way but saying precisely that she is, and that her own, clearly articulated thoughts, are thus somehow invalidated.

[Madiel]

Woman writes article about how happy and satisfied she is with her life now.

Various commentators line up to assert that there must be something wrong with her.

[Gurn Blanston]

I am sorry to say that I think you are all deeply disrespectful of this woman. It's clear to me from the article that she knows her own mind, and is a thoughtful, intelligent person. I do not see her as an automaton, programmed without her understanding or awareness by the men in her life, a mental cripple rendered incapable of understanding her own experience . But I just cannot read your remarks in any other way but saying precisely that she is, and that her own, clearly articulated thoughts, are thus somehow invalidated.

Woman writes article about how happy and satisfied she is with her life now.

Various commentators line up to assert that there must be something wrong with her.

I think she predicted this reaction near the beginning of her article. For myself, I feel as though if she is doing what makes her happy, no matter what reaction anyone else might have about it, then I am pleased for her. Only she can know if she is truly happy. If she is, why judge that by any standard of happiness but her own?  Or why judge it at all?

[San Antone]

I am sorry to say that I think you are all deeply disrespectful of this woman. It's clear to me from the article that she knows her own mind, and is a thoughtful, intelligent person. I do not see her as an automaton, programmed without her understanding or awareness by the men in her life, a mental cripple rendered incapable of understanding her own experience . But I just cannot read your remarks in any other way but saying precisely that she is, and that her own, clearly articulated thoughts, are thus somehow invalidated.

Woman writes article about how happy and satisfied she is with her life now.

Various commentators line up to assert that there must be something wrong with her.

I think she predicted this reaction near the beginning of her article. For myself, I feel as though if she is doing what makes her happy, no matter what reaction anyone else might have about it, then I am pleased for her. Only she can know if she is truly happy. If she is, why judge that by any standard of happiness but her own?  Or why judge it at all?

+3

I am not pro-religion nor anti-religion; not pro-porn nor anti-porn; I'm for freedom in all matters and liberty to live as we wish. 

More power to her.